From: utzoo!decvax!ucbvax!ucbcad:tektronix!tekmdp!dadla!dadla-b!hutch Newsgroups: net.religion Title: Re: The basis for laws in our culture Article-I.D.: dadla-b.408 Posted: Thu Mar 31 11:39:01 1983 Received: Sat Apr 2 06:48:11 1983 References: unc.4867 I agree with Tim Maroney on this one. The original article under this discussion was one by Steve Den Beste, for those who didn't catch his name. My own articles will always appear with "...hutch" in the address since Steve is not an uncommon name. Anyway, Tim makes a valid point. The traditional religious position is that there must be a set of absolutes underlying any set of laws, and while I think this would be nice, it is just impractical in a world where human fallibility prevents us from grasping and agreeing on those absolutes. Pragmatism is as good a place as any to start, and the rights of society are pragmatically based on the rights of individuals. (I think this last statement summarizes Tim's point.) Have I ever stated publicly that I am philosophically an anarchist? That is, I believe that since there is no way that any human government can possibly be obedient to the will of God, that any attempt to make such a government is futile. I obey the law, mostly because I find myself in a situation where failure to do so is in defiance of what I believe to be the Laws of God. I also think that it is dangerous and uncharitable (in the sense of lacking in God's merciful love) to expect everyone to obey the Laws that God gives, without the power to do so which He grants. Therefore, I resist the attempts of those of my own faith to install our moral laws as the laws of the land, except where those laws can be determined clearly to be derivable from the basic rights of the individual. As a counterpoint, though, I feel that it is my responsibility to try and prevent any laws which would force me to violate my own moral laws, as well as any of the derivable basic rights of individuals. Since there is no fair way for "society" to decide what laws can abridge the rights of individuals, in what ways, but since some such laws must be made, I have to make the best of this rotten situation. Politically, Steve Hutchison