From: utzoo!decvax!harpo!eagle!mhtsa!alice!npoiv!hou5f!hou5b!hou5c!hou5e!hou5a!hou5d!hogpc!houxm!ihnp4!ih4ep!starner Newsgroups: net.religion Title: re: The basis for laws in our culture. Article-I.D.: ih4ep.154 Posted: Sat Apr 9 17:37:29 1983 Received: Sun Apr 10 06:37:05 1983 My question: What is the role of morality and ethics in the making of the law-of-the-land. My answer: None at all. My contention: Laws are (and ALWAYS have been, right back to the 10 commandments) based on pragmatism, not on morality. I think you're over-generalizing. The reason why specific laws were created is really a matter of speculation. I would agree that traffic laws and tax laws were developed for the good of society. But, in my opinion, some laws were developed because they were **always** true. Of course, this requires a belief in absolutes. But I've always believed in some absolutes (e.g. the laws of logic are valid, I exist, etc.). I guess I believe that man is aware of these absolutes but is not aware of why they are true. After all, it certainly is possible that there are things that are true that are not empirically verifiable. Of course, this leaves things in a rather fuzzy state. (How can you be sure of your absolute laws when you don't even know where they came from?) Another point. If laws are just based on pragmatism, there is no reason why I **should** follow them (as long as I don't get caught). After all, why should *I* care about the good of society? Other thoughts, opinions welcome, Guy Starner Bell Telephone Laboratories ihnpf!ih4ep!starner -- Guy Starner ih4ep!starner IH 4A-333 x6526