From: utzoo!watmath!rtris Newsgroups: net.religion Title: Omnipotence and free will Article-I.D.: watmath.4943 Posted: Mon Apr 18 11:59:29 1983 Received: Tue Apr 19 07:34:30 1983 For reality to be deterministic I have stated that that implies that there are rules which, given the current state of the system, specify the next state of the system, and that the existence of free will is equivalent to the non-existence of such rules. Don replied that such rules must exist. They consist of the trivial rule: "ask myself" (God that is). I don't think "ask myself" qualifies as the current state of the system. It seems to me that as God created the system, He is outside of it. Ralph.