From: utzoo!decvax!cca!csin!cjh Newsgroups: net.singles Title: Re net.single_but_wish_the_hell_I_was_married Article-I.D.: csin.288 Posted: Wed Apr 6 11:44:27 1983 Received: Thu Apr 7 02:48:15 1983 In response to your message of Mon Apr 4 09:19:57 1983: I don't think it's too good an idea to recommend that someone examining an overly emotional issue from a somewhat rational basis "get professional help". This is not just rude; it's grossly ignorant of history. The notion of romantic love dates a long way back. But the idea that romantic love is feasible for anyone with less time on their hands than a wandering knight is much more recent---not even Victorian if I recall correctly. Compare the high-flown principles of THE CANTERBURY TALES with Chaucer's diary. My personal favorite example comes from someone who was a teacher before the mayor and the teachers' union killed what was left of public education in Boston; she described the jeers from students at a second-level selective school at a film scene (ca. Tudor period?) in which a noble married couple was bedding down not simply in separate beds but in separate rooms. To these kids, marriage was purely a license for sex. (In how many states is unadorned, missionary-position sex illegal if the participants happen not to be married to each other? I don't know either, but I'm sure it's too many, if only because it exerts a force toward marriage completely irrelevant to the "commitment" you endorse.) To examine the practical "why" of marriage past is not to deny the possibilities of marriage future but to consider why marriage as it is now constructed is unlikely to be the future. Consider that some of the propertarian expectations of modern marriage (e.g., single-family house in suburbs with 2 cars in garage) date only from after World War II (in response to post-war economic conditions); how does that affect current expectations? What about some of the more [exotic] ideas, such as the line marriage described in THE MOON IS A HARSH MISTRESS? (Heinlein tends to be very poor at dealing with women, sex, or families (not surprising considering he's childless in two marriages) but the line marriage has distinct advantages, especially for childrearing; the biggest problem I see is the stratification it could produce.) The problem with a -"long-term commitment"- is that it can all too readily devolve into "We're so wild about each other now that we forgo, in advance, the possibility of growing at different rates or in different directions." My view of this is all too readily interpreted as selfishness, but in a traditional marriage this happens only from one side. It's something close to infantile to demand that a perfect moment be stretched indefinitely. Some months ago somebody was being roundly stomped on for trying to cover his propertarian ass, before marriage, against the eventuality of divorce. I'm surprised no one simply laughed at him, recalling closely similar scenes in PRIVATE BENJAMIN. Surely there's some reasonable medium between these two positions (absolute commitment and assumption of impermanence)? I regret the length and incoherency of this, but I've seen enough of how inapplicable the traditional forms are to most people. CHip (Chip Hitchcock) ARPA: CJH@CCA-UNIX usenet: ...{!ucbvax,!decvax}!cca!csin!cjh