From: utzoo!decvax!decwrl!sun!megatest!fortune!hpda!hplabs!hao!seismo!rocheste!ritcv!mjl Newsgroups: net.lang.c Title: Re: C strings suck! Article-I.D.: ritcv.350 Posted: Thu May 5 09:59:38 1983 Received: Wed May 18 00:38:12 1983 References: unc.5116 In refererence to Tim Maroney's complaints about C strings, in particular his suggestion that strings be made a primitive type in the language: while we're at it, why not add built-in I/O statements? And, since the VAX has some nice polynomial evaluation instructions, why not make polynomials a primitive as well? And I'm certain there are some engineers and scientists out there who curse C because it doesn't directly support complex arithmetic. All of this, of course, leads to a proliferation of language "features," and soon we'd have C looking like PL/I (heaven forbid!!). The sparseness of C, coupled with its flexibility, is one of the strong points in the language. C certainly has its share of warts, but simply adding stuff on top without very careful consideration of the consequences can lead up with something much worse. At the minimum, any significant change should be first evaluated using a preprocessor that generates "real" C, so that there is a low cost prototype available for experimentation. As for the VAX string instructions, they can be accessed via assembly language routines if that's important to you. We've done this for the C string library, and the net performance improvement was almost nil for the majority of programs (not because of the overhead of the function call, but because the string routines just don't contribute much to the overall execution time). Mike Lutz seismo!rochester!ritcv!mjl