From: utzoo!decvax!genrad!linus!philabs!mcvax!ukc!edcaad!edee!edai!dfc Newsgroups: net.lang.forth Title: Re: forth machines? - (nf) Article-I.D.: edai.996 Posted: Fri Apr 29 10:48:55 1983 Received: Thu May 19 19:28:26 1983 References: sri-unix.5449 security.214 sdcatta.514 For the price, I consider the "Jupiter Ace", the micro with FORTH in ROM, to be good value. (The designers used to work for Sinclair) The keyboard is the same as the Sinclair Spectrum. It's rubber, but at least there is is some "feel" to it, and a click when you press a key. My niggle - I don't like the use of two shift keys. I wouldn't term the graphics "high resolution". As in the ZX81, you can address 64 x 46 pixels, but the character set (128 chars 8x8 plus inverse) is held in RAM and can be modified, so that you can define your own special characters. NB The display is black and white only. The sound is simply a beeper, but you have control of pitch and duration from FORTH. Of the 3k RAM, 1k is allocated to the memory-mapped screen, 1k to the character set, so that most of the remaining 1k is available for code. The add-on memory adds to the 1k. The processor is a Z80. I have not used any other version of FORTH, so I cannot compare, but the manual gives some language differences. 1) Input/output is cassette rather than disc based. Compiled programs are saved/loaded using SAVE,LOAD. 2) The editor operated by decompiling - a screenfull at a time is displayed for editing, then recompiled. 3) There are a few extra words for floating point arithmetic, and screen control etc. 4) A few words are not implemented - I assume these are uncommon ones infrequently used. I've had the machine for 4 months and have enjoyed playing with it. I would recommend it to anyone who wants to experiment with FORTH and doesn't already have access to it elsewhere. David F. Corner Dept. of Artificial Intelligence Univ. of Edinburgh