From: utzoo!watmath!watarts!bernie Newsgroups: net.singles Title: Nice Guys Article-I.D.: watarts.1814 Posted: Wed May 4 11:25:27 1983 Received: Wed May 4 23:49:51 1983 Reply-To: bernie@watarts.uucp (Bernie Roehl) Yes, it's certainly true that many women (and at least as many men) pursue potential partners who represent a "challenge" of some sort. It's also true that many women are attracted to men who are aggressive to the point of being dangerous, simply because they find such men more interesting and exciting to be around; the analogy that someone (I can't recall who) gave to teenagers and fast cars is a good one. And yes, many women are attracted to men who are "macho jerks". None of this is very surprising. What is surprising (at least to me) is that many of these same women later complain that "men are such jerks" or "why don't men know how to treat women" or "men are the reason society is the way it is". What they overlook (and this is an amazingly common blind spot) is that their comments don't apply to men in general, but only to the men they've chosen to spend time with. Most men are not jerks, most men know how to treat women (or are at least willing to learn) and most men are not the driving force behind the sexism/racism/violence that characterizes society as we know it. However, a great many women aren't interested in spending time with "most men"; it's the aggressive, overbearing, demanding, violent men who are the most interesting and desireable.