From: utzoo!decvax!decwrl!sun!megatest!fortune!hpda!hplabs!hao!cires!nbires!zhahai Newsgroups: net.women Title: re: non-sexist pronouns Article-I.D.: nbires.137 Posted: Fri Apr 22 22:02:45 1983 Received: Sat Apr 30 00:27:34 1983 References: yale-com.1366 To those in favor of establishing new non-sexist pronouns: I wish you luck, and I will be an early supporter if it ever gains any momentum. I personally think it would help counter sexism *some*, mainly by bringing it to peoples attention; the anology with nigger/black etc. has some bearing. Try this: type "nigger". Do you feel any internal reaction? Does it break your smooth automatic thought processes any? (I should have said, type it in a sentence; really do it, not just think about how you would react). After noticing such a word-flag, one gets a subtle reinforcement for how one beleives about the social issue involved. (of course, for some, it is a negative reaction; I've also met people who still use "nigger" comfortably). In the long run, of course this (a new pronoun) would just become natural - but that is fine with me, for it is a useful semantic distinction, even apart from non-sexism. And, to me, more "aesthetic", if you will. I would like the language to have such a construct. BUT, I suspect that those who argue that structural words like pronouns are hard to change are right. I got tired of fighting those things, and adding 'noise' to the real point I was trying to make in a conversation or paper. If you still want to try to change it, go for it; how will the language evolve if nobody tries? (How will we overcome sexism if nobody tries?) As long as you don't get haughty or righteous about it, nothing's hurt, eh? By the way, at Twin Oaks (a long standing communal group in Va.) they appear to use the word "co" (if I recall rightly - maybe it was "per") very consistently, in real everday speech as well as more formal occasions (written agreements). I don't know that that in itself makes them non-sexist, but it does symbolize their commitment in that direction (to them and to us). I also have a fondness (minor) for names which do not imply the gender of their owners. (( I hereby appologize if I've contributed to an overextended discussion which should have moved to net.nlang; all I can say is that this issue has always been more associated with feminism for me than with language per se, although vaguely informed by the latter)) (not a pseudonym) Zhahai Spring Stewart NBI, Inc. Boulder CO {ucbvax|allegra}!nbires!zhahai