Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site dciem.UUCP Path: utzoo!dciem!mmt From: mmt@dciem.UUCP (Martin Taylor) Newsgroups: net.ai Subject: Re: Japanese 5th Generation Effort Message-ID: <293@dciem.UUCP> Date: Thu, 18-Aug-83 11:16:24 EDT Article-I.D.: dciem.293 Posted: Thu Aug 18 11:16:24 1983 Date-Received: Thu, 18-Aug-83 17:53:05 EDT References: <4248@sri-arpa.UUCP> Organization: D.C.I.E.M, Toronto, Canada Lines: 17 There seems to be an analogy between the 5th generation project and the ARPA-SUR project on automatic speech understanding of a decade ago. Both are top-down, initiated with a great deal of hope, and dependent on solving some "nitty-gritty problems" at the bottom. The result of the ARPA-SUR project was at first to slow down research in ASR (automatic speech recognition) because a lot of people got scared off by finding how hard the problem really is. But it did, as Robert Amsler suggests the 5th generation project will, show just what "nitty-gritty problems" are important. It provided a great step forward in speech recognition, not only for those who continued to work on projects initiated by ARPA-SUR, but also for those who have come afterward. I doubt we would now be where we are in ASR if it had not been for that apparently failed project ten years ago. (Parenthetically, notice that a lot of the subsequent advances in ASR have been due to the Japanese, and that European/American researchers freely use those advances.) Martin Taylor