Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utcsrgv.UUCP Path: utzoo!utcsrgv!mason From: mason@utcsrgv.UUCP (Dave Mason) Newsgroups: net.cog-eng Subject: Re: Reply to "Are we designing for the users...?" Message-ID: <2173@utcsrgv.UUCP> Date: Fri, 2-Sep-83 12:49:25 EDT Article-I.D.: utcsrgv.2173 Posted: Fri Sep 2 12:49:25 1983 Date-Received: Fri, 2-Sep-83 17:03:03 EDT References: <938@utcsstat.UUCP> Organization: CSRG, University of Toronto Lines: 22 Note that experts can also be novices: I currently use Unix,VMS,RSTS/E,UCSD P-System,VM/CMS and maybe CP/M or AppleDOS in a typical week. There is no way I can remember how to use the command syntax on all of these (perfectly), and I prefer systems that prompt me on how to do something (when asked for), or give me help when I forget how to do something with this O/S's arcane syntax (or with the editor's arcane syntax). Because of this my casual use favourites in order are VMS,UCSD,VM/CMS,Unix. (Go ahead with the flames..but let me continue first.) VMS & VM/CMS have good, consistent help facilities in both the command interpreter and the editor, but I don't 3270's. UCSD gives a 1 line prompts all the time, so it's easy. Unix man facility is OK, but you have to read the whole thing or know what you're looking for, and there does not appear to be help from within the editor (which is where I think it is most important). I like the UNIX process model better than VMS, but for casual use DCL beats csh. (Please if you haven't used both save us both time..if you have ..flame away.) One other thing I like in Unix and VMS is the ability to define aliases (better done in csh than DCL). -- Gandalf's flunky Hobbit -- Dave Mason, U. Toronto CSRG, {cornell,watmath,ihnp4,floyd,allegra,utzoo,uw-beaver}!utcsrgv!mason or {decvax,linus,lsuc,research}!utzoo!utcsrgv!mason (UUCP)