Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site nsc.uucp Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!harpo!seismo!hao!menlo70!nsc!chongo From: chongo@nsc.uucp (Curt Noll) Newsgroups: net.flame Subject: Re: Re: The Draft, suicidal arguments, A - (nf) Message-ID: <354@nsc.uucp> Date: Tue, 23-Aug-83 16:38:06 EDT Article-I.D.: nsc.354 Posted: Tue Aug 23 16:38:06 1983 Date-Received: Wed, 24-Aug-83 12:36:25 EDT References: <1757@hplabs.UUCP> Organization: National Semiconductor, Sunnyvale Lines: 43 well Paul pressed my flame button when he said: ~... love it or leave it. ~ << FLAME ON >> why do people, in the name of protecting the american way, seek to or perhaps suggest that anyone critical of the US should leave? it would be one thing if this were the Philippines where oppisition people have a hard time obtaining life insurance policies. but we are supposed to be a society which allows freedom of expression. by restricting, or banning thoes who you feel are 'dangerious' to freedom, YOU ARE DISTROYING FREEDOM. this case gets even more stupid when the people being banned are tring to uphold justice, truth, and all those high ideals. << FLAME OFF >> another possible flame producer: << FLAME ON >> freedom does NOT come from any government, it is not granted to any individual. it is our own Declaration of Independence which states that people are endowed with certain rights which are not capable of being transfered to someone/something else. it is the individual which selects to not actualize their freedom. this happens normally under extream external pressure where the individual makes the decision that their freedom it not worth it. other people dont understand the value of freedom that each of us can have, and repress it with little thought. then this being the case, why defend a system which by its vary nature at times tries to get us to repress our own freedom. defend FREEDOM, not a system which did NOT give us, and at times tries to get us to repress our freedom! take the lesson which Gandhi and King gave us regarding the power of the freedom within us, and how we should deal with things such as governments which try to get us to repress ourselves. << FLAME OFF >> peace, chongo /\../\