Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 beta 3/9/83; site sdcrdcf.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!sdcsvax!sdcrdcf!barryg From: barryg@sdcrdcf.UUCP (Barry Gold) Newsgroups: net.flame Subject: Re: To smoke or not to smoke Message-ID: <461@sdcrdcf.UUCP> Date: Mon, 22-Aug-83 16:42:34 EDT Article-I.D.: sdcrdcf.461 Posted: Mon Aug 22 16:42:34 1983 Date-Received: Thu, 25-Aug-83 23:33:47 EDT References: <202@cbosgd.UUCP> Reply-To: barryg@sdcrdcf.UUCP (Barry Gold) Organization: System Development Corporation, Santa Monica Lines: 57 A NICE EXAMPLE OF RESOLVING THE SMOKER/NON-SMOKER PROBLEM THAT WILL HELP ENHANCE FUTURE COOPERATION: (This probably isn't flamelike enough for this newsgroup, but this is where the smoking discussion is, so...) A friend of mine is extremely bothered by cigarette smoke. Some brands cause her to become actively nauseous in under a minute. She and her husband were eating in a sushi bar when a Japanese gentleman lit up one of the worse brands only a few seats away. (see note for cultural discussion) Her husband went over and politely told the gentleman about his wife's problem and asked him to refrain. The gentleman put out his cigarette, but looked slightly miffed (again, see note). The husband noticed this, and ordered a bottle of sake to be delivered to the Japanese gentleman to thank him for his consideration. They then became quite friendly. NOTE: If you eat sushi and don't smoke, you know that smoking at a sushi bar is stupid; the flavors are quite delicate and can be totally obscured by nearby smoke, much less actually pulling the stuff over your tongue. I doubt a smoker can taste anything but the texture and the horseradish after subjecting his tongue to tobacco smoke. BUT, if you've ever been to a sushi bar in an area with a large Japanese population, and especially if you've been to Japan, you know that the Japanese smoke far more than Americans do, and that they frequently light up at sushi bars while waiting for the sushi chef to make up their orders. It is part of the normal order of things, and anyone asking them to change this is clearly asking them to go way out of their way to do a favor for a stranger. By offering the gentleman a drink, my friend changed (in the gentleman's eyes) from a barbarian who was asking him to forego his pleasure for a stranger's convenience, to a fellow gentleman who understood the net of obligation (giri and gimu) that goes with asking and receiving a favor. THE MORAL: If you ask a smoker to refrain, and he does, try to find some gesture that shows you consider the relationship to be two-way. In many cases, a hearty Thank You will do, but at least don't take it for granted. It should be obvious from all the flaming on this subject that our society has not reached anything LIKE a consensus on the subject of smoking in public. Therefore, we who don't smoke can't take the smoke-free environment we desire for granted. If you want to know where I'm coming from, I'm a non-smoker who assiduously avoids smoke because of a heart condition. I also oppose anti-smoking laws. The last arose at first from principle (I'm also a libertarian), but is now a matter of practicality as well. I've read about prohibition, and I lived through the 60s version - the drug controversy. I'd rather not have any more unpopular, unenforceable laws around to give people the idea that they don't have to obey the important ones (against murder, stealing, etc.) Barry Gold ARPANET: BARRYG@MIT-MC UUCP: ...decvax!trw-unix!sdcrdcf!barryg