Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/26/83; site ihuxn.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!harpo!eagle!mhuxt!mhuxi!mhuxa!houxm!ihnp4!ihuxn!res From: res@ihuxn.UUCP Newsgroups: net.flame Subject: Re: A serious flame against telephone solicitations Message-ID: <343@ihuxn.UUCP> Date: Fri, 26-Aug-83 18:22:33 EDT Article-I.D.: ihuxn.343 Posted: Fri Aug 26 18:22:33 1983 Date-Received: Mon, 29-Aug-83 01:19:33 EDT References: <364@hou5f.UUCP> Organization: BTL Naperville, Il. Lines: 37 One of the most serious problems for telephone customers was the invention of a computer driven device that would step through a whole series of numbers (chosen by the operator of this monster) one by one and deliver the sales pitch/advertising message/religious exhortation to whoever answered. Some models of this device, as I recall, would remember a list of no-answer numbers and keep trying those. Note that this technique requires no list of listed phone numbers, or even geographic proximity to the phone being called. The problems that this brought the phone companies were two-fold: lots of hacked off customers who blamed the phone company (who had no control over the terminal equipment the customer -- the calling customer in this case -- put on their line), and lots of unforcasted traffic on lines not engineered for this traffic (leading to service degradation for other customers). Happily, the regulatory bodies in several (I don't know how many or which ones) have outlawed this device. The rules vary from state to state (can laws ever be standardized?) but one typical requirement is that the numbers have to come off of a list other than the phone book (which is copyrighted) and cannot include "unpublished" numbers unless supplied by the called party. In this regard, does anyone know WHY the credit card companies (MasterCard, VISA, etc.) require phone numbers on the charge slips these days? Frequently the clerk specifies that it must be the HOME phone number. I always use my office number anyway, but I do not like giving any phone number out to the world at large for no GOOD reason. Thus far I have not received any funny phone calls that I could trace to this source, but I am not happy with the situation. By the way, I tried for a while to refuse to give my phone number, but that usually escallated into a real pain, requiring someone on the store's security staff to tell the clerk that they didn`t REALLY have to have the number. Perhaps this is another topic to flame about (replacing the TP and 55mph discussions, I hope!). Rich Strebendt ...!ihnp4!ihuxn!res