Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site druny.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!harpo!eagle!mhuxt!mhuxi!mhuxa!houxm!ihnp4!drux3!druny!jmb From: jmb@druny.UUCP Newsgroups: net.followup Subject: More boiling water Message-ID: <680@druny.UUCP> Date: Thu, 1-Sep-83 11:52:50 EDT Article-I.D.: druny.680 Posted: Thu Sep 1 11:52:50 1983 Date-Received: Fri, 2-Sep-83 20:29:58 EDT Organization: AT&T Information Systems, Denver Lines: 43 Well, it seems my item finally got around the net. Everybody seems aghast that I would suggest some (self-imposed) limitations on what gets posted to the net. I have been likened to Yuri Andropov or similar persons who would deny people their God-given liberties. First, who said >anybody< has a RIGHT to use the network? Somebody has to pay for all those computers and disks and modems and telphone calls (etc). If I'm AT&T and I buy a computer for hardware developers to run simulations, do I also give them the RIGHT to use netnews? Obviously not. If I am a machine coordinator, and my machine is loaded to the gills, am I obligated to let people eat up more of my CPU and disk for something not related to their work? No. If I'm the man who has to sign the purchase orders, and I see my employees using my expensive piece of hardware to exchange movie reviews, will I be willing to let it continue? Probably not. Many persons got hot under the collar without reading my flame carefully. Perhaps I do have an obligation to allow PROFESSIONAL information to be exchanged through the net - such as programs, bug fixes and the like. I see these as part of professional growth and learning. Too bad more information like this isn't out there. Instead we have net.jokes.all and long running arguments over whether hot or cold water boils faster. How is net.jokes going to help me write a better program or make a better design? J. M. Barton ...!druny!jmb AT&T Information Systems Laboratories P.S. I can see a time when the ever-increasing load of netnews causes it to change from "for-the-good-of-all" communism to free-market enterprise. In other words, I write contracts for all those nodes whom I supply with netnews, laying out exactly what newsgroups they will get or not get, and how much they will be charged per byte of newtitem. My suppliers(s) will do the same to me. Is this anti-net? No, it is reality. Allocation of scarce resources is what an economy is for, and the CPU, disk, etc. used for netnews is just another scarce resource. You have a right to read any book you choose - but if you don't have the money to buy it, too bad. P.P.S. You don't have to send replies to /dev/null. As this is an open forum, and I am expressing my ideas to everybody, I have an obligation to listen to those who would dispute me (as long as they do it reasonably).