Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site sdcsvax.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!sdcsvax!ajh From: ajh@sdcsvax.UUCP (Alan Hu) Newsgroups: net.math Subject: Re: Scales again Message-ID: <3623@sdcsvax.UUCP> Date: Sat, 6-Aug-83 19:59:51 EDT Article-I.D.: sdcsvax.3623 Posted: Sat Aug 6 19:59:51 1983 Date-Received: Mon, 8-Aug-83 23:56:44 EDT References: <679@bronze.UUCP> Organization: U.C. San Diego, CS Dept Lines: 43 First of all, pure sounds do exhibit consonance and dissonance (I can't spell!). Consider the following: If you have one source playing sine waves at 440 hz (The A above middle C) and one playing at 441 hz, the sine waves will drift in and out of phase resulting in beats, one per second. As the frequencies drift apart, the number of beats increase. Around 5 beats per second starts sounding really bad. Now, if one source plays 440 hz and the other plays up one octave at 880 hz, there will be no drifting in and out of phase; every wave from source 1 matches 2 waves from source 2. There are no beats and the sound is pleasant. Similar things happen with perfect fifths and thirds. On the subject of overtones, the actual sequence of notes if something like (I don't have my handy Harvard Dictionary of Music with me.) c' (I think that's middle C.) 256 hz (I think that's pretty close.) c'' (That's one octave up) 512 hz g'' 768 hz c''' 1024 hz e''' 1280 hz g''' 1336 hz and so on. (I don't remeber any more.) Each frequency is an interger multiple of the original note. All other notes can be derived from this. If we let C be 1, the G an ocatave above the fifth will be 3. Therefore, the G which is the fifth above C is 3/2. Similarly, the E which is a third above the C is 5/4. All this garbage applies only to so called "just intonation". A problem with this system is that intervals of the same size on the keyboard have different sounds. For example, C-G is consonant, but D-A, isn't. Most instruments are (de-)tuned to "well-tempered" scales in which the ratio of succesive notes is exactly the same. Even so, you can perform some simple experments on a piano to illustrate some of these things. Silently depress the C above middle C. Stike middle C loudly. You can here the upper C very clearly. Silently hold g-c-e and strike the C two octaves below, loudly. You can here the chord quite plainly. You can do lots of other (not very) interesting experiments like this. I think I'm getting pedantic, and I'm probably boring you guys/gals/ people/others to death, so I'll stop. Alan J. Hu ...sdcsvax!ajh