Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site dciem.UUCP Path: utzoo!dciem!mmt From: mmt@dciem.UUCP (Martin Taylor) Newsgroups: net.physics Subject: Re: music harmony Message-ID: <353@dciem.UUCP> Date: Mon, 5-Sep-83 16:00:40 EDT Article-I.D.: dciem.353 Posted: Mon Sep 5 16:00:40 1983 Date-Received: Mon, 5-Sep-83 16:32:55 EDT References: <4796@sri-arpa.UUCP> Organization: D.C.I.E.M, Toronto, Canada Lines: 40 ================== The human ear determines pitch by having cilia in the colea of the inner ear that resonate. It is a pretty specatular realtime Fourier transformer. Since each cilium(?) only detects pitch and not phase, the ear cannot detect phase differences. The typical vibrations and waves physics experiment is to have two tone generators whose phase difference can be adjusted. The ear cannot tell the difference. ================== This statement is a load of hogwash. It is a physicist's idea of how the auditory system works. Errors: (i) Phase information is available in the different neural frequency channels up to around 4 kHz, and is routinely used in binaural detection of direction up to about 1500Hz. (ii) Pitch and frequency are completely different concepts. The individual nerve fibres have maximally sensitive frequencies, and if the ear is reasonably normal, a sine wave of a given frequency will sound as if it has a unique corresponding pitch. However, it is possible to set up conditions using high harmonics of a low fundamental frequency, so that the pitch heard is that of the non-existent fundamental. Furthermore, if the frequencies of all these "harmonics" are shifted up or down by a certain amount, the perceived pitch will shift by a smaller amount. (iii) Under laboratory conditions, it is possible to demonstrate perceptual effects that DO depend on the relative phases of fundamental and harmonics. (iv) The auditory system is very complex, and by no shred of the imagination could it be considered as a Fourier transformer. To say so is like equating the visual system to a camera! If you are interested, look through a few back issues of the Journal of the Acoustical Society of America. There is a good index in every June and December issue. Martin Taylor PS. Psychoacousticians please don't flame at the oversimplifications above -- I'm trying to make it brief.