Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site dciem.UUCP Path: utzoo!dciem!mmt From: mmt@dciem.UUCP (Martin Taylor) Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Re: Basis for legislation Message-ID: <275@dciem.UUCP> Date: Tue, 9-Aug-83 09:52:39 EDT Article-I.D.: dciem.275 Posted: Tue Aug 9 09:52:39 1983 Date-Received: Tue, 9-Aug-83 15:06:10 EDT References: <548@grkermit.UUCP> Organization: D.C.I.E.M, Toronto, Canada Lines: 24 Liberty as a basis for law is fine as far as it goes, but survival comes before it, and personal well-being after it, according to the American Declaration of Independence. (If I have the right document -- Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness). If a society can ensure the physical survival of most of its citizens to a reasonable age, it can then and only then afford to offer everyone freedom of choice as a democracy. If they aren't going to live, they aren't going to care much about freedom. Once they have a basic freedom to choose courses of action for themselves and for their society, they can worry about where their freedoms impinge on each other. At this point they can worry about "the pursuit of happiness". We seem to be moving from the third stage back to the second, and some people seem to want to go back to the first -- which may eventually be necessary. As the world's resources diminish, it will be harder for many parts of the world to justify democracy, even if they are in those favoured regions not subject to the dictates of a superpower. The survival of the state (or governing group) provides a whole mess of other problems to worry about. Martin Taylor