Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!harpo!floyd!whuxlb!pyuxll!eisx!npoiv!npois!hogpc!houxm!hocda!spanky!burl!duke!unc!bts From: bts@unc.UUCP Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: Re: Playing games with God, II Message-ID: <5659@unc.UUCP> Date: Wed, 3-Aug-83 22:25:16 EDT Article-I.D.: unc.5659 Posted: Wed Aug 3 22:25:16 1983 Date-Received: Sat, 6-Aug-83 08:22:34 EDT Lines: 68 Todd Vierheller (tekmdp!toddv) has stated objections to both of the Bible stories in my submission "Playing games with God, II". First, he suggests that Jephthah's daughter was not sacrificed as a burnt offering. Second, that Abra- ham expected God to raise Isaac from the dead, anyway, after he killed him. In short, that neither sacrifice was "real". I have three reasons to believe that the story of Jephthah's daughter really is a story of human sacrifice: (1) Steven Brams (author of the article I was summarizing) interpreted the story this way. While I'm not aware that he's a biblical scholar as well as a game theor- ist, I would hope that he had checked some authorities about the story. (See point (2), below.) (2) The reference in the Encyclopedia Judaica mentions "human sacrifice" with regard to the story. I have not looked this up, however; I'm trusting the accuracy of Brams' quote. (3) The conclusion of the story in Judges 11:39-40: And at the end of two months she returned to her father, who did to her according to his vow which he had vowed. And she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel that the daughters of Israel went yearly to tell again of the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite, four days in a year. This seems an excessive response if the daughter was not sacrificed but only offered to God as a servant. Todd is quite correct that the KJV never comes out and says "Jephthah sacrificed his daughter as a burnt offering", at least not in Chapter 11 of Judges. I agree that verse 31 is ambiguous-- at least in the KJV. Here's another place where scholars on the net can help us out. Todd's other point is that Abraham might have offered to sacrifice Isaac under the assumption that God would have immediately raised his son from the dead. In support of this he refers to the book of Hebrews, in New Testament. Let's look at Hebrews 11:17-19, again from an office mate's KJV: By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac. And he that had received the promises was offering up his only-begotten, of whom it was said, "in Isaac shall your seed be called." For he was supposing that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead-- from which he did get him back, too, in a way of speaking. This "Letter to the Hebrews" (Paul's?) is a later source than Genesis, and, if this is one of Paul's letters, told from a Christian rather than Jewish point of view. It looks to me more like an attempt to find precedents for the sacri- fice-of-an-only-son-with-subsequent-resurrection than an explanation of the Old Testament story. But even accepting this interpretation of Abraham and Isaac, we can only conclude (with Brams) that Abraham might have acted by rationally ana- lyzing God's intentions instead of acting on blind faith. Bruce Smith, UNC-Chapel Hill duke!unc!bts (USENET) bts.unc@udel-relay (lesser NETworks)