Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site pucc-h Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!harpo!eagle!mhuxt!mhuxi!mhuxa!houxm!ihnp4!ixn5c!inuxc!pur-ee!CSvax:Pucc-H:aeq From: CSvax:Pucc-H:aeq@pur-ee.UUCP Newsgroups: net.singles Subject: Re: happy anniversary to us; thoughts on MOTSS Message-ID: <249@pucc-h> Date: Fri, 26-Aug-83 21:11:35 EDT Article-I.D.: pucc-h.249 Posted: Fri Aug 26 21:11:35 1983 Date-Received: Mon, 29-Aug-83 01:34:29 EDT References: <207@cbdkc1.UUCP> Organization: Purdue University Computing Center Lines: 52 I have decided, based on observation, that there are two different types of unmarried person, which I call the "single" and the "bachelor". The "single" is the one who has the spiffy pad, the finest accessories, and the impeccable appearance (and who is probably neck deep in debt). "Bachelor", on the other hand, is roughly a synonym for "slob".... Inasmuch as I am a very impatient person, and being a "single" takes a great deal of time to carry off (not to mention that I am already neck deep in a more useful but still crushing debt known as a MORTGAGE), I am a bachelor. It may be sour grapes, or it may be a genuine impression, but I get the feeling that the "single" lifestyle is extremely false, and really rather demeaning, since it requires the person to appear as Mr./Ms. Spiffy irrespective of mood--i.e it encourages lying. (On the flip side, it is said to encourage what used to be called "lying with" someone, which would be decidedly pleasant; perhaps the advantage of being a "bachelor" is that it simplifies adherence to traditional Christian morals [there's a lot of wisdom in some traditions]....) Still, I'm no Falwellian. I honestly wish I could figure out a way to counsel homosexuals, rather than condemning them out of hand. Why do I say this? Because I have struggled against sometimes very strong homosexual desires in my time; and in my experience, such desires have arisen out of despair that my heterosexual desires would ever be satisfied. Considering that some of the homosexual men of my acquaintance should have been very attractive to women (more so than I, and I think I'm pretty good for a "bachelor" who keeps hacker's hours), I can conclude that their emotions were similarly agonized at some time in the past, but they were unable or unwilling to fight the homosexual urges--at least they could get SOME intimacy, even if ersatz. Mind you, I'm not saying there's anything wrong about close FRIENDSHIPS between members of the same sex; one of the most unfortunate and silly of our cultural mores is that men should not talk about their emotions to anyone, especially not another man, lest they be thought "weak". I think that's backwards; considering that I'm a strongly emotional person, it is actually a bit of a boost to my machismo to reveal my emotions in a big way and thus show myself off as a BIG man (more so than just the 6'2"); however, it is also a tremendous relief to have male friends with whom I can discuss problems that are common to most young men (and I find, among other things, that I'm not the only one who has had to fight homosexual feelings). As to the questions as to how I would react to being approached by a man for a date: As I said, I appreciate friendship, so I am pleased when someone is friendly to me and interested in me as a human being; but I'm still not out of sight of that ragged edge between the two flavors of sexuality, and thus I would react rather strongly against any invitation to cross it again back to the homosexual side. I'm tempted to post either to this group or to net.religion a sermon I recently preached dealing with this topic in more detail; but the thing is 7.4 pages typewritten, and in one week of reading the net, I have developed a grand dislike for articles over, say, 100 lines. So I'll shut up. (I never realized I was so opinionated....) -- Jeff Sargent/pur-ee!pucc-h:aeq (Purdue's Electrical Enginerring [sic] department really ought to rename that machine "tomato"--but such a comment belongs in net.jokes ....)