Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site ssc-vax.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!microsoft!uw-beaver!ssc-vax!tjj From: tjj@ssc-vax.UUCP (T J Jardine) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: Genderfree terms in language. Message-ID: <423@ssc-vax.UUCP> Date: Wed, 17-Aug-83 15:39:38 EDT Article-I.D.: ssc-vax.423 Posted: Wed Aug 17 15:39:38 1983 Date-Received: Fri, 19-Aug-83 01:41:12 EDT References: <1967@utcsrgv.UUCP>, <887@utcsstat.UUCP> Organization: Boeing Aerospace, Seattle Lines: 26 Some light has finally been shed on this topic, even if possibly by accident! It appears that the battle between those who think that English should become a genderless language and those who oppose that view is equivalent to the battle between the smokers and the non-smokers (yes, my asbestos suit is on!). The light that seems to have appeared regarding gender-free terms is that it is not the WORDS that are the object of dislike, but the EXPECTATIONS that are associated/held with respect to males and females. When we (male or female) place a telephone call to someone of the male persuasion at what we understand to be a business office location and a person answers the phone with a voice which sounds obviously female, what is the picture that we have in our mind that provides a model for us of this situation? I would expect that a significant percentage would immediately bring to mind the role of a manager and secretary. However, if we knew the company employed a large number of engineers, that the person we were telephoning was one of them, and we had experience with the model of an engineer's office as a place where 387 people share the same window, then our model of the situation would be different, and consequently our response would be as well. Obviously, then, what we need to do is change the models people use to handle various kinds of situations. This seems to me a far more challenging, and therefor worthwhile, task than merely trying to rid ourselves of every occurrence of 'man' in referring to the gentler (have you ever seen a female wrestler?) sex. TJ (with Amazing Grace) The Piper ssc-vax!tjj