Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site utcsstat.UUCP Path: utzoo!utcsrgv!utcsstat!laura From: laura@utcsstat.UUCP (Laura Creighton) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: Re(2): LAMBDA FLAME FLAME et al... Message-ID: <928@utcsstat.UUCP> Date: Sat, 20-Aug-83 19:32:22 EDT Article-I.D.: utcsstat.928 Posted: Sat Aug 20 19:32:22 1983 Date-Received: Sat, 20-Aug-83 20:32:18 EDT References: <18@ism780.UUCP> Organization: U. of Toronto, Canada Lines: 22 The phrase "everybody who is not part of the solution is not part of the problem" is a bit of intimidating rhetoric designed to bludgeon people into taking a stand even if they truly have no opinion on the subject. If this is not what you mean when you say this phrase, then you should probably get another phrase. And I think you might thank me for pointing out what you appear to be doing. (Not that I need your thanks, mind you). Your argument about my submissions to net.women on sexist language is not relavant. I *have* an opinion on the problem. I believe that all this "sexist language" talk is an expensive waste of time. This does not mean that discrimination is a good thing, but that you are attacking the wrong problem when you are trying to repair sexism by changing the language. For those of you who like analogies (and send me mail requesting for some in explanation for things I have posted): it seems akin to "well, since most vaxen have terminals that are vt100s or vt100 compatible, all i need to do to convert this 11/70 into a vax is to throw out all the vc404s that are connected to this machine and connect vt100s up instead". If you proposed this, and I pointed out that you were making a mistake, would you consider me "arrogant and dishonest"? Analogies are not perfect. People are perfectly free to point out the defects in mine. they are a useful method of teaching, however, and for some people they are the only way they can grasp ideas. laura creighton utzoo!utcsstat!laura