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From: jim@ism780.UUCP (Jim Balter)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: Re(2): net.women.only
Message-ID: <20@ism780.UUCP>
Date: Mon, 22-Aug-83 17:11:00 EDT
Article-I.D.: ism780.20
Posted: Mon Aug 22 17:11:00 1983
Date-Received: Tue, 23-Aug-83 08:54:12 EDT
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If WASP's were fighting for a reasonable share of the power structure,
then their forming exclusive organizations for that purpose would be seen
as legitimate.  Women and blacks form organizations which try to further the
aims and interests of their communities.  Most white males have little
(non-disruptive) interest in such groups, but I know of many cases where they
are not excluded.  To the degree that women's groups exclude blacks or gays,
or black groups exclude women or gays, they are unfairly discriminatory.
Most groups of white males which exclude women and blacks do so explicitly
(or nearly so) on the basis of racism or chauvinism, rather than on the
basis of shared interests with which blacks and women have no concern.
I would be interested in concrete examples to the contrary, but this
should probably be moved to net.politics unless net.women is to move
in the opposite direction of net.women.only, namely net.anti-chauvinism
or somesuch (which wouldn't bother me any, but I am not a woman and so I
don't think I have as strong a say as to the subject of this net; I consider
myself to somewhat of a guest participant).

And as for
							  Do not we as
	white men have the same rights as any other member of society,
	or must white men continue to be the second class citizens of
	our society, without equal rights in the judicial and political
	processes?

If that was not a joke, then I suspect that your attitudes are too far
from those of the other participants in this net, and it wouldn't
profit any of us for you to enter into further debate.

Jim Balter (decvax!yale!ima!jim), Interactive Systems Corp

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