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From: gcsherwood@watcgl.UUCP (Geoffrey C. Sherwood)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: Re: net.women.only
Message-ID: <714@watcgl.UUCP>
Date: Thu, 25-Aug-83 11:54:33 EDT
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Posted: Thu Aug 25 11:54:33 1983
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I find all women groups to be very positive.  My experiences to date
are Elaine Powers, a Women's Center that I belonged to, and
two college courses - "Philosophy of Feminism" and "Self Defense for
Women".  Anyone out there attend an all women's school?

As far as this anti net.women.only stuff goes it's
another male scheme to keep us isolated from one another.  The white
male reverse discrimination crap makes me laugh.
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As regards the second paragraph, the first sentence strikes me as
being more than slightly paranoid.  The idea that all of us scheming
males are out here attempting to keep the sistern isolated from each
other is patently ridiculous.  It saddens me to see such crap from
fellow computer science types.

The second sentence is just as bad.  Discrimination is discrimination.
I haven't owned a slave in years, and I hardly ever beat women.  I
should be taken on my own merits, such as they are, without reference
to such inborn traits as being white (well, slightly tan, actually) and
male.  Why should this be any different than for black, red, yellow, or
pink polka-dotted people who are male, female, both, or neither?

I oppose the formation of net.women.only because I see it as discriminatory.
If men attempted to form net.men.only and excluded women, the net would
reverberate with cries of discrimination -- and rightly so. I do not see how
the reverse case is any different.  If you want to get a private mailing
list and send mail to each other, you are welcome to. Mail is different
from broadcast media.

In summary, we are all, first and formost, people.  Our rights stem
from that.  Discrimination will not end until the general public sees
it that way, too.  Demanding special privileges for sub-groups only
retards these efforts, antagonizing those who do not have these privileges
and inviting retaliation.

	enough,

		Geoff Sherwood
		U. of Waterloo