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Subject: Re: Learning Z vs Zmacs
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Date: Sun, 25-Sep-83 03:17:33 EDT
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Posted: Sun Sep 25 03:17:33 1983
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From JQJ@SU-SCORE.ARPA  Sun Sep 25 00:17:08 1983

	From: RMS%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC
	Please refrain from making the assumption that features of the Lisp
	machine you got from Symbolics were done BY Symbolics.  You are
	inadvertently spreading their false advertising.

A point for the record; Despite RMS flamage, the original lisp
machine lardware was a product of the MIT-AI lab, principally
designed by Greenblatt, Knight, and Holloway; in proportions unknown
to me.  They also collaborated on other lab products of the period.

The current lisp machine software was also developed at the MIT-AI
lab, by a multitude of grad students and staff hackers, many of whom
were founders of Symbolics.  Greenblatt was the principal founder of
LMI.

At the time Symbolics and LMI were founded, MIT licensed the existing
hardware and software to both companies, presumably on mutually
beneficial terms.  There are two lisp machine companies rather than
one due to the random variability of the universe, which does not
include malice on the part of anyone.


[Editor's note:  since the relative merits of Symbolics and LMI as
 manufacturers of Lisp machines and as true heirs to the "MIT Lisp
 Machine" have little to do with editing, I will take the liberty of
 censoring further comments on this subject.
                                                /jq ]