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From: mmt@dciem.UUCP (Martin Taylor)
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Subject: Re: Socialism has never worked?
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Date: Wed, 14-Sep-83 16:35:47 EDT
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If rabbitt!jj and Bill Pfeifer have ever left the USA to see what
socialist countries can be like, it isn't evident in their paranoid
submissions. Consider, as Dave Sherman points out, Israel.
Consider most European countries at various times since 1920 or so.
Sure, eventually all political entities change and can be said to die.
The nation-states of Germany are "dead" in that sense, as are the
provinces of France and the Empire of Denmark. In the end, you will
be able to "prove" that any country that ever adopts socialist
governments will "die". So will any country that doesn't. I think
generally speaking that socialist governments tend to be more humane
than anti-socialist ones (I don't say non-socialist ones). They may
or may not be more effective economically. I think that depends on
factors other than their socialist leanings.

Where on earth do ideas come from such as
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I'll tell you what "nationalizing" means.  It means taking everything that
you or I or rabitt!jj own and worked for, killing anyone who resists, and
letting the wonderful benevolent government decide on how to spend it.
(Bill Pfeifer)
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Wierd!!!

If you are going to rant on about this thing you label socialism,
please use another name, such as "fantasism" or something. It doesn't
refer to anything in this world, outside your imagination, now does it?

Lots of people who understand socialism disagree with it as an ideal,
lots agree. There are intelligent and well-meaning people on both
sides of that fence. The assumption that supporters of socialism are
either murderous or larcenous or stupid won't wash.


Martin Taylor