Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 beta 3/9/83; site hplabsc.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!seismo!hao!hplabsc!paulson From: paulson@hplabsc.UUCP (Anne Paulson) Newsgroups: net.flame Subject: More on bikes and cars Message-ID: <1389@hplabsc.UUCP> Date: Thu, 22-Sep-83 14:29:27 EDT Article-I.D.: hplabsc.1389 Posted: Thu Sep 22 14:29:27 1983 Date-Received: Mon, 26-Sep-83 04:05:14 EDT Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA Lines: 39 To umcp!zben: What makes you think bicycling is my "hobby"? Is driving a car your hobby? Bicycling is my main form of transportation, since I don't own a car. Your attitude is an example of the prevailing belief that bikes are toys. I love my bicycles (all three of them, with a fourth on the way), but they are certainly not toys any more than cars are toys. As to paying for the roads, most of the roads I ride on are local Palo Alto streets, paid for by property taxes in the city of Palo Alto. I pay PLENTY of property taxes to the city! By the way, for your information, you can't get a bicycle from Japan to California by truck. To Michael Ellis: I'm very sorry to hear that your brother was killed in a bicycling accident. Nevertheless, I think you have some wrong ideas about how to bicycle. It turns out that bicyclists who ride on the sidewalk are 70% (or thereabouts) more likely to have bike-car accidents than cyclists who ride on the street. This figure is from a study done by the city of Palo Alto, cited in a recent bicycling magazine; I can get the references if you want. And your idea of never riding on a street where there are cars is hardly practical for someone like me, who rides a bike for transportation. I don't think it's impossible for cars and bikes to co-exist; we just have to educate the driver and cyclist populations. To everyone who complained about cyclists running stop signs and lights: I agree; it's a problem. I don't do it, and I insist that people I ride with don't either. It's another manifestation of the popular belief that bicycles are toys instead of methods of trans- portation. (I think the Iowa law that requires cyclists to yield instead of stop at stop signs is a great idea, though). Share the road with bikes! Anne Paulson hplabs!paulson