Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!harpo!eagle!mhuxi!houxm!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!uiucdcs!uicsl!preece From: preece@uicsl.UUCP Newsgroups: net.flame Subject: Re: Missing Handgun - (nf) Message-ID: <3094@uiucdcs.UUCP> Date: Mon, 3-Oct-83 23:08:50 EDT Article-I.D.: uiucdcs.3094 Posted: Mon Oct 3 23:08:50 1983 Date-Received: Wed, 5-Oct-83 12:15:05 EDT Lines: 49 #R:ccieng5:-14700:uicsl:4300087:000:2608 uicsl!preece Oct 3 09:32:00 1983 Oath of Fealty requires a level of surveillance I wouldn't like. You really have to trust the watchers' dedication to your freedoms for that to work. I can't believe that guns are much help against street crime. The guy who jumped you from behind and put a knife to your throat is going to let you get your gun out of your purse? Maybe we'll all have implants that let us talk via cellular radio to a real worldnet and will be able to ask for help no matter what the attacker does (links to metabolic sensors would trigger a call for help even if you were knocked unconscious), but that's a little way off yet. Radio-linked panic buttons could help, but still require some obvious motion to trigger, which might trigger the attacker. My own theory of penology is transportation, as practised by the English in the last century. I can't support capital punishment and I think current prisons are counter-productive. I'd like to see serious or repeated offenders, those felt by a jury to be a likely future threat to their fellow citizens, moved to a separate place, wherein they could lead reasonably normal lives, with their families, earning normal wages at a full range of jobs, under strict supervision. Specific supervision would be tailored to the individual's proclivities (the embezzler might still be allowed to be an accountant, but would be observed more carefully, the rapist would be subject to more movement control). Within this context the transportees would be subject to stricter monitoring, likely including radio position monitors. The problem is, the lifestyle might be nicer than that of many people on the outside. There are a lot of people who wouldn't mind having people watching over their shoulders as in Oath of Fealty. The idea of permanent sequestration should make 'free' society safer for the rest of us without the idiocy of the current system that equates the embezzler with the murderer, the rapist with the tax evader. There's no reason the prison colony has to be run by corrupt or inept administrators (as in The Moon is a Harsh Mistress). I'm not sure, though, that I'm quite as depressed as laura about the quality of life, even in cities. The vast majority of people who live in Toronto have not been mugged, raped, or murdered. I know people who have been burglarized, but I know many more who haven't. I worry about my five-year old walking to school, but I also know that no kids have been abducted or molested in our neighborhood in living memory. Perhaps reality isn't quite as threatening as our perceptions of it. scott preece pur-ee!uiucdcs!uicsl!preece