Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site dciem.UUCP Path: utzoo!dciem!mmt From: mmt@dciem.UUCP (Martin Taylor) Newsgroups: net.nlang Subject: hack Message-ID: <384@dciem.UUCP> Date: Thu, 15-Sep-83 17:33:50 EDT Article-I.D.: dciem.384 Posted: Thu Sep 15 17:33:50 1983 Date-Received: Thu, 15-Sep-83 20:44:42 EDT Organization: D.C.I.E.M, Toronto, Canada Lines: 16 There has been a lot of discussion reaching here in the last couple of days about the "true" meaning of hacking or hacker. I am surprised at the possessiveness that computer types have shown about the word. When (and where) I grew up, one main meaning of "hack" was somebody who was no better than competent at their profession or art form. It was almost the converse of "genius". A class of 50 engineers might contain 45 hacks and 5 good engineers. Similarly, a computer hacker to me was somebody who wasn't very good at programming, but went about doing it anyway. I suspect the derivation was from "hacking" a piece of wood when the job required careful carving, or some such. When and how did "hacking" come to be tied to computers, and when and how did the connotation become good rather than bad? Martin Taylor