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From: laura@utcsstat.UUCP (Laura Creighton)
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Subject: Re: From Paul Torek #9 -- the verb "value", etc.
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Date: Tue, 27-Sep-83 15:10:25 EDT
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And this one is truly from laura creighton...

Okay gang, in case you have missed it, I claim to be both selfish and
irrational. (Sounds wonderful, doesn't it! Guess we can see who's society
places an emphasis on rationality and unselfishness!). There is a problem
which prevents me from being either rational or selfishness. I don't
think that Paul or Tom are going to get to it though, so I am going to
toss it in here.

How on earth can one be rational or unselfish if one does not believe in
an absolute value system? It strikes me as impossible. Without universal
values the whole thing simply comes to rest at your doorstep. Thus there
is nothing left but selfishness, and rationality becomes a joke. The
best that one can do is determine whether such-and-such an action is 
useful at any given time, which may be enough to live by, but is rather
difficult to build a truly rational system on.

Of course, the next big question is where does an absolute value system
come from. Apart for the existance of God, which is a valid foundation
which I do not want to touch, there seems to be very little that I can
find that seems to support the theory that there is any universal and
absolute value.

Laura Creighton
utzoo!utcsstat!laura