Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!watarts!sizma From: sizma@watarts.UUCP Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Re: Re(2): Nicaragua - (nf) Message-ID: <2002@watarts.UUCP> Date: Thu, 8-Sep-83 10:04:30 EDT Article-I.D.: watarts.2002 Posted: Thu Sep 8 10:04:30 1983 Date-Received: Fri, 9-Sep-83 01:28:14 EDT References: ucbcad.5 Lines: 48 There are a couple of simple remarks to be made about the debate on Nicaragua. I was there in June for two weeks, and I saw and met several Americans, some of whom were actually working in the country. Although Nicaraguans clearly made a distinction between we Canadians and other visitors who were American, it seemed to be a distinction of little significance: they knew our country was somewhat different and they were curious in that respect, and they also realized that our government was less hostile to them. This latter factor was something to their advantage, of course: it meant that we might perhaps intervene internationally on their behalf with a different kind of pressure than American citizens. But Nicaraguans, like many other people who been involved in political struggles for generations, have little in the way of delusions about the relationship between citizens of a country and their "elected representatives". Because of this they were always very clear to us that when they referred to the U.S. government they were not referring to the American people. Of course, in any country that is so besieged by an external force, there are going to be people who express hostility indiscriminately to any element of that external force. Yet as we wandered around various parts of the country, most of us looking quite like North American tourists, we encountered virtually no hostility (apart from the odd remark, mostly directed at the women in a typically -- yet still inexcusable -- machismo way) and an unexpected amount of friendliness. The Nicaraguans continually indicated that they have nothing to gain from being hostile to the U.S. The U.S., after all, holds the global purse-strings. The Nicaraguans have a foreign debt of $3.65 billion which they intend to pay off, and they are successfully meeting the payments, unlike many other underdeveloped countries. Personally, I think that they ought to forget about a lot of that debt because it arose due to the money that Somoza borrowed from foreign sources so that he could go on killing people. Money is not neutral; the sources of that money were certainly aware of what the money was used for -- as any successful lending institution knows precisely the conditions of a country it is dealing with -- and, as far as I'm concerned, it's their tough luck that their side lost out. However, the Sandinistas have their reasons for paying off the debt, and it's up to Nicaragua to decide. But money isn't the only factor, of course. The Nicaraguans continually claimed that they want to run their own show (and we heard this not just from the leaders but virtually everyone else we ran into as well), and having an unfriendly American administration hovering over you all the time makes dealing with internal problems all the more difficult. They want "normal" relations with other countries because they want to learn from them; they don't want to get stuck with just one model, and as Reagan attempts to cut off the rest of the western world from them, that's exactly what they end up with. --Steve Izma, University of Waterloo