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From: eich@uiuccsb.UUCP
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Subject: Re: Nicaragua - (nf)
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Date: Thu, 8-Sep-83 22:47:03 EDT
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uiuccsb!eich    Sep  8 20:01:00 1983

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/***** uiuccsb:net.politics / ucbesvax!turner /  4:52 pm  Sep  4, 1983 */
> Getting real again (I hope): look what's going on now.  "Free of foreign
> domination" is trickling down the drain.  The USSR is dumping its bargain-
> basement tanks and SAM's into Nicaragua, while the US is slowly steaming
> into local waters, and positioning troops in nearby not-so-friendly Honduras.
[nb]> I give it till December.  I have a no-longer-so-little brother in the
> Marines right now, and I'm frankly worried for him.
> ...
> Are you never embarassed by the pattern of lies, distortion and hysteria that
> Reagan and his ideological cohort rely on to persuade the U.S. public of
> their position on Central American revolution?

This person is flaming against hysteria?  Oxymoronic flaming (please document
instances of lying--primary sources please, not Mother Jones).

> YOU CANNOT "EXPORT" REVOLUTION.  YOU CAN DIVERT IT, SELL IT OUT, CO-OPT
> IT, OR DISSOLVE IT IN BLOOD.  BUT YOU CANNOT MAKE IT HAPPEN WHERE THE
> NECESSARY CONDITIONS DO NOT EXIST.  PEOPLE DO NOT OFFER THEIR LIVES FOR
> ANY CAUSE OTHER THAN WHAT THEY PERCEIVE AS THEIR OWN DIGNITY AND FREEDOM.

> You "interventionaries" out there should only be glad that
> a devoutly Catholic nation is disinclined to use stronger language in
> expressing its national revulsion against decades of bullying.
> ...
> 	Michael Turner (ucbvax!ucbesvax.turner)
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And you "isolationaries" can keep your rhetorical paws off of the phrase
"devoutly Catholic."  The Sandinistas calculatingly disrupted Pope John
Paul II's outdoor mass with the most noxious kind of Marxist hagiography.
Huge banners of the bloodthirsty likes of General Sandino draped behind
altars are NOT devoutly Catholic, they're grotesquely idolatrous.  Unless
you're the kind of simpleton who believes that beneath every anti-American
slogan there lives a simple, justly agrieved consciousness yearning for
the blissful peace of socialism, you know that, at the very least,
all is not right in Nicaragua.

By the way, we are supporting an indiginous revolution: the one led
by Eden Pastora against the Mercedes-equipped Directorate in Managua.
They fight for a moral cause: the restoration of the liberties promised
by the Sandinistas to the multifarious moderate groups who helped them
overthrow Somoza.  And I'd say the treatment of the Meskito indians,
not to mention their now-admitted support of the 5000-odd Cuban-trained,
anti-democratic guerillos in El Salvador, is reason enough to support
Pastora.

			Brendan Eich
p.s.

This issue won't be resolved in debate by citing the blood spilled by
ideologues on either side, because I can flame on quite a bit from second-
hand experience about the grotesqueries served up by the left in Central
America, and I'm almost mad enough to do so.