Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!cca!ima!ism780!jim From: jim@ism780.UUCP (Jim Balter) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: Equal Work Message-ID: <44@ism780.UUCP> Date: Thu, 22-Sep-83 12:20:00 EDT Article-I.D.: ism780.44 Posted: Thu Sep 22 12:20:00 1983 Date-Received: Sat, 24-Sep-83 01:05:37 EDT Lines: 54 If you want to understand the ways in which the marketplace can be wrong, read the works of Thorstein Veblen and the later institutionalists, notably Joan Robinson, and the works of John Maynard Keynes. Most texts on the history of economics will make it clear Robinson refuted the neo-classical arguments that trade unions distort natural law, by using Veblen's distinction of two types of capital, 1) relatively immobile resources used in production and 2) mobile funds available for investment, which the neo-classicists confuse. The arguments fall apart, and it becomes clear that neither trade unions nor "the marketplace" (i.e., employers, in this case; you do see that is what the term really means, don't you?) have any particular claim on the right of natural law; the workings of real economic systems ("the markeplace" in a wider sense) are a result of complex legal and social interactions between workers, employers, etc; the laws regarding rights to property that ensure the employers their positions are no more "natural" than laws which guarantee workers the right to form unions or the right to a minimum wage. Keynes sealed the book on the theoretical bases of neo-classicism by showing essentially that reducing workers' wages could increase profits only if done in a vacuum; a reduction of *other* workers' wages would simply reduce a company's pool of customers and make it less likely to invest in new business or increased production. Economists like Milton Friedman and, more lafferbly, the supply-siders, choose to ignore the formal refutations in favor of positions more in consonance with their ideology, and most lay people have the most incredibly simplistic attitudes toward complex economic issues. Many people say "anyone who has taken a freshman course in economics knows ..."; the problem is that freshman economics texts are written by neo-classicists, and they are chosen because their position strongly supports the status quo and they reinforce the stereotypes which support it. Talk to most graduate students in economics, however, who are familiar with the effect of inelasticity of capital, lack of perfect information and rational business decisions, and the coercive effect of propaganda which leads to the same, on the role of simple supply-demand curves in modern complex economies, and you will get a very different picture. If you feel qualified to debate this, please move the discussion to net.politics. As far as the case you mention of yourself versus the president of your company, if you really do essentially the same work, then I think you do deserve the same wage. But your characterization of the two of you both spending time writing memos and going to meetings is transparently inaccurate, since the president most likely has a greater level of responsibility; the consequences of his judgements are more significant, and so his skills must be greater. However, it is likely that the differential in your salaries is incommensurate with the differential in your level of work. The point is not so much who will make the determination of whether work is essentially similar; the point is that those who strongly feel that there is an unbalance will work to correct it and will work to make others aware of it. Jim Balter (decvax!yale-co!ima!jim), Interactive Systems Corp --------