Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site dciem.UUCP Path: utzoo!dciem!ntt From: ntt@dciem.UUCP (Mark Brader) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: Mister/Master Miss/Mrs./Ms. Message-ID: <408@dciem.UUCP> Date: Mon, 26-Sep-83 19:14:49 EDT Article-I.D.: dciem.408 Posted: Mon Sep 26 19:14:49 1983 Date-Received: Tue, 27-Sep-83 06:47:26 EDT References: <388@ihuxs.UUCP> Organization: NTT Systems Inc., Toronto, Canada Lines: 20 When I was single, I wanted to abolish ALL these "titles*", and I tried never to use "Mr." for myself. However, when married people share the same surname, it is sometimes convenient to refer to "Mr. & Mrs. X". So my ideal goes like this: "Mr." is restricted to married men. "Mr." and "Mrs." are both used only in social-type contexts where marital status or pairing is important. In every other context, use first names; or when being formal, last name only. Many newspapers have style guides that specify referring to a man the first time by full name without "title", and subsequently by last name only; some even do do it for women, I think. So it's not as odd an idea as it sounds. When "Ms." first came out it sounded really offensive to me, as if the person was ashamed of their marital status and couldn't bring themself--er, herself-- to use her first name. I've mellowed, though. *This term may do in America, but in Britain a you only have a "title" if you are a "Sir" or a "Lord" or ... ; the best alternative I've seen is "handle", used by Phil Eastman of the Univ. of Waterloo, which encompassed "Dr." also. Mark Brader, NTT Systems Inc.