Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/26/83; site iheds.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!harpo!eagle!mhuxt!mhuxi!cbosgd!ihnp4!iheds!kmw From: kmw@iheds.UUCP Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: Is Computing Gender Specific? Message-ID: <265@iheds.UUCP> Date: Wed, 7-Sep-83 14:51:59 EDT Article-I.D.: iheds.265 Posted: Wed Sep 7 14:51:59 1983 Date-Received: Thu, 8-Sep-83 05:57:28 EDT References: <423@trw-unix.UUCP> Organization: BTL Naperville, Il. Lines: 32 On the issue of computing being gender specific: Two personal experiences may shed light on why there aren't more women in computing. When I was in high school, girls who were interested in the advanced science and math courses were considered WEIRD. The choice was simple: become disinterested, or have absolutely no social life. I wonder how many high school boys would maintain an interest given that choice? I would like to think that things are different a decade later, but socialization and peer pressure are hard to mold, and slow to change. In college, the normal data entry mode was card decks submitted in batch, with minimum one-hour turn-around for small jobs. Those who worked at the comp center had access to terminals (behind locked doors and passwords). You cannot be a hacker using card decks and without having interactive access to the system. Only a handful of students worked at the comp center, and they were male. (To forstall the obvious question: they were financial aid jobs and I didn't qualify on that account.) These students let their (also male) friends in on the existence of (and door code for) the terminals, and a select group of exclusively male hackers formed. I discovered the existance of this cadre only from a passing comment of a friend who worked at the computer center. I had been in classes with him, had been dating him for several months, and it had never occurred to him that a woman might be interested in the "inner sanctum". You can't join 'em if you don't know they exist.... These experiences are by no means universal, but I do believe that the difference in numbers of female and male hackers is more likely to be caused by the greater social barriers women have to overcome than by any innate difference in ability. -K. Wilber