Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!security!genrad!decvax!cca!z From: z@cca.UUCP (Steve Zimmerman) Newsgroups: net.emacs Subject: Re: EMACS Usage Message-ID: <6027@cca.UUCP> Date: Wed, 2-Nov-83 12:41:38 EST Article-I.D.: cca.6027 Posted: Wed Nov 2 12:41:38 1983 Date-Received: Sun, 6-Nov-83 05:30:37 EST References: <6010@cca.UUCP> kobold.190 Lines: 50 Tom Teixeira says "Most people will use the editor that is best supported." I fully agree. However, the implication is that significantly more effort is put into supporting CCA EMACS at CCA than is put into supporting other editors. This is not the case. Very little active support is put into any of the editors in terms of helping users on a one-to-one basis. Instead, it is the support that comes with the editor that is important. Both the Rand editor and vi come with reasonable documentation, which is one reason they both developed a fair following. As CCA EMACS is a much more complex editor than either of those two, its documentation is correspondingly more extensive, including a 235 page manual, an online tutorial that assumes no previous knowledge of text editors, and many other online help facilities. Certainly this type of support was instrumental in the acceptance of CCA EMACS here. Without it, there would have been no way that CCA EMACS could have been introduced as the standard editor for secretaries, managers, and our text editing department. We do not have the programming support to offer a lot of interactive help to these users, and these people typically do not like to have to look through source code to figure out how a a certain feature works. Correspondingly, the lack of this level of documentation was certainly one reason why Gosling's Emacs never caught on here. I have a copy of his manual; several users even borrowed it to look at, but none began using his Emacs as a result. When Unipress announced with great fanfare that they were marketing Gosling's Emacs, and word got out that they were planning to do a real manual, I sent away $30 to see what the new version was like. I was quite surprised to find that the manual was just a slightly updated version of the Xeroxed sheets I had, now put into a three ring binder. In addition to finding the already noted spelling and grammatical errors, I was struck by the incompleteness of the manual. For example, the entire contents of section 19.2, entitled "Electric-lisp-mode -- Assistance for Lisp programming" is the phrase "No documentation yet". Tom is also correct when he mentions the phenomenon whereby people tend to stick with the editor they learn first. This is undoubtedly another reason why we have no users of Gosling's Emacs here. But at the same time, the fact that most users of other editors at CCA have switched to CCA EMACS seems to indicate that this resistance can be overcome when the difference between editors is great enough. Of course, there are many technical reasons why people at CCA prefer CCA EMACS to Gosling's. However, I must agree with Tom's comment that people are more fanatical about editors than religion. (How many people here remember the 1980 Usenix conference in Deleware where Dave Yost started his talk on the Rand editor with the statement "Friends, be saved!") So, I think I had better stop here before I ignite too many flames. Steve Zimmerman {decvax,linus}!cca!z