Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site mit-eddie.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!genrad!mit-eddie!barmar From: barmar@mit-eddie.UUCP (Barry Margolin) Newsgroups: net.followup Subject: Re: "Hack" is a sacred word? Message-ID: <848@mit-eddie.UUCP> Date: Tue, 25-Oct-83 02:30:45 EDT Article-I.D.: mit-eddi.848 Posted: Tue Oct 25 02:30:45 1983 Date-Received: Wed, 26-Oct-83 02:49:16 EDT References: <114@ccieng6.UUCP> <1313@rlgvax.UUCP> Organization: MIT, Cambridge, MA Lines: 44 From: dave@rlgvax.UUCP (Dave Maxey) Newsgroups: net.followup Subject: Re: "Hack" is a sacred word? Message-ID: <1313@rlgvax.UUCP> Date: Fri, 21-Oct-83 02:22:33 EDT Article-I.D.: rlgvax.1313 Posted: Fri Oct 21 02:22:33 1983 Date-Received: Sat, 22-Oct-83 01:56:32 EDT References: <114@ccieng6.UUCP> Organization: CCI Office Systems Group, Reston, VA Lines: 20 > ... but tell me please... what ever happened to: > > Programmer The problem with "programmer" is that it is much too general. In my father's company's DP department there is a guy who learned COBOL at one of those places that advertises "you too can be a computer technician, or just look like one...". HE is a programmer, but he is not dedicated to the art of programming. He would not stay up for 36 hours straight in order to finish a program. He is not a member of that elite known as "computer hackers". Many people have recently pointed out that the meaning of a word is the way it is used by a large segment of the population. While I agree with this in principle, there is obviously something wrong which is making us feel that the word "hacker" is being misused by a large segment of the population. I think a good analogy is some homonyms which are often iinterchanged, such as "their" and "there"; just because half of the times I see these words they are misused doesn't mean that they are interchangeable. Perhaps the problem with "hacker" is that there are two large segments of the population, each with conflicting definitions, and some concensus will have to be reached at some point. Or maybe it is a problem of misinformation: realize that to most lay people, this was a new word when the media began using it to describe the breakin artists, so the lay people just assumed the media's definition, without realizing that they were being misinformed. Maybe this is how new words go from being jargon to real words, but I think something got lost in the translation. -- Barry Margolin ARPA: barmar@MIT-Multics UUCP: ..!genrad!mit-eddie!barmar