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From: rigney@uokvax.UUCP
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Subject: Re: Bags of Holding - (nf)
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Date: Wed, 9-Nov-83 00:10:13 EST
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Posted: Wed Nov  9 00:10:13 1983
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uokvax!rigney    Oct 30 10:50:00 1983

Back in my [A]D&D days, we allowed living matter in Bags of Holding as
long as they were open to provide an air supply, or when closed as long
as there was enough air (typically a very short time).  This made them
quite useful for smuggling people past guards and such.  Two especially
strange uses are fondly remembered:

		1) The bag was secured to the top of a large fighter's
	helmet, and a platform was placed inside, upon which a hobbit
	could stand and fire arrows while being carried by the fighter,
	yet protected from the waist down.  Thus, we gave a turret to
	the human tank.
		2) The bag was fastened onto a shieldface, with the
	open side facing outwards.  Any arrows that would strike the
	shield would just go into the bag (and could be later recovered,
	if we cared).  If you bags kill whatever goes into them, this
	is deadly indeed for shield rushes and for countering thrusts
	(the thrusting arm enters the bag and dies, frex, not that we
	ran it that way - still, your balance can get really screwed 
	when your weapon doesn't thunk against a shield but rather 
	keeps going...)

Both these tricks work even better with Portable Holes.  The fastening
is left as an exercise for the reader, although it wasn't very hard
to do.

As for turning the bag inside out, from a topological point of view 
couldn't you think of the universe then being inside the bag with
the bag's contents on the outside - no practical difference, perhaps.

As a final thought, what happens when you put a bag of devouring into
a stream while open?

		Carl
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