Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site wivax.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!wivax!dyer From: dyer@wivax.UUCP (Stephen Dyer) Newsgroups: net.med Subject: Re: Data in Support of Macrobiotics Message-ID: <18875@wivax.UUCP> Date: Thu, 13-Oct-83 23:36:34 EDT Article-I.D.: wivax.18875 Posted: Thu Oct 13 23:36:34 1983 Date-Received: Fri, 14-Oct-83 22:01:05 EDT References: <104@houxk.UUCP> Organization: Wang Institute, Tyngsboro, Ma. 01879 Lines: 30 houxk!jmg apparently likes to selectively read our responses to fit his prejudices. No one has said that "spontaneous" cancer remissions are due to magic--rather, we state only what we CAN state as scientists: that we are not yet aware of the mechanisms involved in the cure. This is a far more conservative position than attributing it without firm evidence to an arbitrary environmental influence like a macrobiotic diet. I know nothing of macrobiotic diets other than from the popular lore of the past decade, and what houxk!jmg recently posted. My comment still holds--the diet he posted doesn't look particularly unsound (save for dairy products and calcium) and I would be quite willing to believe reports that state that a population on such a diet is healthier than one high in animal fats, sugar and low in fibre. I have heard, though, that the macrobiotic diet is actually a series of diets, each one containing successively less animal protein, with rice alone as the final diet. I cannot believe that this is healthy, given what we already know about human nutrition. But, I am disinterested--show me a well-run study that refutes my preconceptions, and I will entertain a change of opinion. Nevertheless, this is irrelevant to the problem at hand--the treatment of cancer. houxk!jmg states that a macrobiotic diet is "harmless" compared to the "wanton removal of organs". Let me emphasize, that if houxk!jmg is recommending that cancer patients follow his diet IN PLACE OF traditional medical therapies, then one wonders what his definition of "harmlessness" is. /Steve Dyer decvax!wivax!dyer decvax!genrad!wjh12!bbncca!sdyer