Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site houca.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!harpo!eagle!mhuxi!houxm!hogpc!houca!trc From: trc@houca.UUCP Newsgroups: net.philosophy Subject: A Consistantly answered question Message-ID: <411@houca.UUCP> Date: Mon, 24-Oct-83 18:13:49 EDT Article-I.D.: houca.411 Posted: Mon Oct 24 18:13:49 1983 Date-Received: Tue, 25-Oct-83 05:11:08 EDT Organization: American Bell, Holmdel NJ Lines: 67 Response to stan the l.h. I think you asked several questions - 1) what is rationality; 2) how is it different from rationalization; 3) why is your scenario not a proper presentation of an "Objectivist mode of reasoning". The second is easiest - rationalization is the act of perverting one's reason to the defense of a rationally incorrect decision, via the selective evasion of reality. The minimum evasion is the evasion of the need to use rationality *before* a decision is made, when possible. And then there are additional evasions required, (depending upon how incorrect the decision is) of the context of the decision and how it was made. Rand defines reason as "the faculty that identifies and integrates the material provided by man's senses. It is a faculty that man has to exercise *by choice*. Thinking is not an automatic function. In any hour and issue of his life, man is free to think or to evade that effort. Thinking requires a state of full, focused awareness. The act of focusing one's consciousness is volitional. Man can focus his mind to a full, active, purposefully directed awareness of reality - or he can unfocus it and let himself drift in a semiconscious daze, merely reacting to any chance stimulus of the immediate moment, at the mercy of his undirected sensory-perceptual mechanism and of any random, associational connections it might happen to make." My understanding of rationality, which I think agrees with the above is: Reason is the faculty that allows humans to create, hold, and manipulate concepts that represent things, and which is capable of representing *real* things. Rationality is the state or process of using that faculty *fully* to accept (hold) and use concepts that represent things in reality. Reason can be "misused" in the sense that one can fail to apply it fully to what one knows, or can apply it with improper premises (based on something that one does *not* know - a known falsehood, fabrication, or irrationally derived concept [latter is recursive, not circular]). That is "irrationality". Your third question seems to require a lot more than an understanding of rationality to answer, though the use of rationality in considering the context you give would indeed lead one (eventually - one has to get into ethics first) to reject the use of force against humans as a means of attempting to gain values. (Force is justified in order to *retain* values that another is trying to use force to take away from you.) The "vulgar masses" are human, even if some of them have given up the *use* of the mental capabilities that distinguish a humans from animals. And in fact, I do not agree that the "masses" have given up the use of reason - they merely do not apply it consistently across their lives. They may apply it to solving problems like finding a new store, but refuse to put out the effort to apply it to the (more difficult) task of understanding themselves or ethical questions. Also, as I have indicated in other notes, most of the "masses" pay lip service to altruism, while acting common-sensically selfish most of the time. This leads to numerous conflicts, in that they "double-think" - expecting others to live by an altruistic code, while each really acts semi-properly selfish. Because of this expectation on others, they may try to *take* the values that they believe that the other *should* altruistically give them. This either doesnt work, or causes huge resentment, or both. Either way, it messes up lives. By the way - I believe that you have mis-interpreted my "Taggart" note. Dagney was not justified in shooting the man merely because of his irrationality. For example, Dagney would not be justified in deliberately shooting an innocent-but-irrational bystander. It was the combination of the man's opposition to a just cause, combined with his refusal to even think and choose whether he should submit to force to save his life - let alone consider whether the cause behind the force was just. Tom Craver houca!trc