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Subject: Scientific Creationism - A Summary
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Date: Mon, 17-Oct-83 17:49:47 EDT
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Posted: Mon Oct 17 17:49:47 1983
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I heard a presentation today on Scientific Creationism by
Dr. Walter Brown of the Center for Scientific Creation.
I took notes during the presentation and I will try to
present his major points.  I will try my utmost not to editorialize
and will try to present his viewpoint as I heard it.  I would
welcome comments from interested persons, especially those
pertaining to scientific evidence for or against his viewpoint.

*************** Beginning of Presentation *************************

Basic Viewpoints

1. No religious doctrines should be taught in public schools.

2. Theories on the origins of life and the universe should be
   taught at the appropriate grade levels in the public schools.

3. If evolution is taught, then evidence contradicting evolution
   should also be taught.

Basic Points of Discussion

1. The Theory of Evolution is Invalid.

 - Evolution has never been observed.  (Ed. note:  He cited as reference,
   the multitude of fruit fly experiments which have never resulted in
   the evolution of a more complex fly species.)

 - All arguments for evolution are outdated, illogical and wishful
   thinking.

 - New research shows that the requirements for life are so complex
   that chance and billions fo years alone cannot explain life.
   (Ed. note:  He cited numerous studies by mathematicians challenging
   evolution.)

2. The Universe, Solar System, Earth and life were recently created.

 - Most dating techniques point to young Earth. (Ed. note:  This
   is a quote)

3. The Earth has experienced a world-wide flood.

 - Noah's Ark exists.

 - Geological evidence indicates a global flood occurred.

 - Many unexplained geological features of the Earth can only be
   explained by a flood.  E.g.,

   -> Salt Formations beneath the surface in South East US.
   -> Formation of Mountains.

Supporting Evidence

All dating techniques assume that the velocity of light has been
constant since the beginning.  Analysis of measurements of the
speed of light taken over the last 300 years indicate that the
measured velocity of light has been steadily decreasing.
(Ed. note:  He stated that the function which best mapped to
the data points for the speed of light was csec**2 function
and that the rate of change in the speed of light had leveled
off after 1960.  The speed of light approached infinity approx.
6000 years ago and had steadily decreased to its current measured
value.)

This phenomenon explains the very large red [Doppler] shifts of many
galaxies and also explains the blue shift of some nearby
galaxies (Ed. note:  Can anyone verify that some galaxies
have a blue shift in their spectrum?  I thought that all
observed objects in the universe were apparently moving
away from the earth.)

The fact that the Moon is recessing from the earth points toward
a young Earth - Moon system.  If the Moon was indeed 4 billion
years old, then it should be much farther away from the Earth.
The rate of accretion of dust on the surface of the Moon indicates
that the Moon could not have existed for 4 billions years since
the volume of dust on the moon is not nearly large enough.

Leading evolutionists are aware of problems with the theory
of evolution, but are suppressing contradictory evidence.

*********************** End of Summary **************************

Any comments?

Allen England at AT&T Bell Laboratories, Naperville, IL
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