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From: kubic@reed.UUCP (Kubic)
Newsgroups: net.politics
Subject: Re: Israeli Discrimination
Message-ID: <374@reed.UUCP>
Date: Fri, 7-Oct-83 15:23:05 EDT
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Posted: Fri Oct  7 15:23:05 1983
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The chayalim don't beat the Arabs up unless they're provoked or that
particular arab is known to be a stone thrower.
Your article makes it seem that the soldiers beat any one they feel
like.I hope you didn't mean that way.

			Eli Posner


I am posting this in response to some mail I recieved
regarding my response to the query on Israeli discrimination,
I would have sent this reply via mail, however I was, for
reasons beyond my control, unable to get this aritcle out
through our mail system.  Besides it's time to get a good
controversial discussion going on the net aside from
the handgun issue.

                        yours in anticipation,
          
                                    jan kubic


I sure do mean it "that way".  I was curious to find
out how your average IDF kid is going to know the who
the stone thrower is? I for one have been, along with
the IDF soldiers, on the recieving end of stonings, let
me tell you what happens.  Everyone runs away!  Why, so
we don't get our heads busted open.  By the time we have
all finished running away, the stoners, who were a good
30 or 40 yards away, are now a good 60 to 100 yards away.
Positive identification of any sort is next to impossible
at that distance.  Now our heros go on the offense, under
cover they open up fire at the kids, who scatter.  Total
time elapsed: 1 to 2 minutes at the most.  As far as I
know under such conditions, an ID made for a US Court
would be thrown out, probably even the prosecuter would
doubtthe validity of such an ID.
Now, lets look at the demographical make up of these
stone throwers.  The cardinal rule on the West Bank is:
if you are going to participate in any kind of disturbance
you are under 18, and never, never, never, use anything
more nasty than rocks( which can very nasty all the same).
Let us assume that by "provocation" you mean, at worst,
rock throwing, and perhaps name calling or various gestures
being made at the IDF kids about their manhood.  This does
not in any way shape or form justify the treatment given
these minors by the IDF.  If such things happened amongst
the black community in the states, you'd have the Civil
Liberties people yelling, law suits, and perhaps even a
ferderal inquiry.  Heads would roll if minors were being
beaten up for "provocation" of the police.
So, it certianly looks like the IDF go around, beating up
Arab kids at random, in the name of national security, and
are blithely getting away with it and other violations
of what we term our "inalienable rights".

				jan kubic