Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site ucbcad.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!tektronix!ucbcad!notes From: notes@ucbcad.UUCP Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Re: Re: back in the USSR - (nf) Message-ID: <555@ucbcad.UUCP> Date: Wed, 26-Oct-83 14:04:51 EDT Article-I.D.: ucbcad.555 Posted: Wed Oct 26 14:04:51 1983 Date-Received: Thu, 27-Oct-83 22:34:23 EDT Sender: notes@ucbcad.UUCP Organization: UC Berkeley CAD Group Lines: 73 #R:tty3b:-23300:ucbesvax:7500041:000:3659 ucbesvax!turner Oct 26 04:54:00 1983 Re: Mike Kelly's question ("Re: back in the USSR") The constant emphasis on the lack of civil liberties in the USSR is in part a red herring--by focusing attention on the enemy, any equivalent faults of the U.S. are rhetorically shouldered aside. There is a related reason, however--I think the conservatives get quite a bit of ideological leverage out of it. It is that the very lack of due respect for human rights and tolerance of dissent makes the USSR that much more formidable as an adversary in world affairs. A good example is Soviet arms sales and personnel commitment to Syria. As far as arms, we did much the same for the Shah. But could the U.S. have made a similar commitment in personnel, without large-scale civil disobedience at home? I doubt this. As oppressive as the Shah was, I don't think that the American public would have been very supportive of some things that Assad has done, like saturation bombing of one of his own cities in response to a rebellion. Yet this is just the kind of thing that the Russians are willing to ignore--even support--and downplay in their own press. (By contrast, we might look at Indonesia's invasion and virtual genocide in East Timor, with substantial U.S. armaments. Here, every effort was made to cover up the incident, and the U.S. press was unusually complacent. But it couldn't have continued had any attention been focused on it in the national press. It was just intolerably gross.) Afghanistan is another fair example: many Russian troops have died there, and the total troop commitment is comparable to ours in Vietnam. Yet Vietnam-level internal dissent is scarcely visible, and thus hardly a factor in determining policy. Even our Korean war had its domestic political aspect--a surprising element of Nixon's "Checkers" speech is the near-promise to "bring our boys home." This whole line of thought is, however, self-bankrupting. By vesting in the executive branch of our country the war-making initiative of the comparable levels of Soviet command, we are not going to gain anything. This is simply adding a few layers of bricks to the wall between the power of the presidency and the will of the electorate. Another election will reverse this effect. In the interim, some mess will be made that will give Soviet foreign policy more leverage, by virtue of the dis- continuities of American policy. The only way to maintain continuity is to put the whole nation on a war-footing--suppressing dissent at home and abroad, and constantly escalating the level of conflict. This is where the conservative line leads us then: in the face of Soviet intractibility, we must at least *act* like we are willing to go to the brink (and beyond) of another world war. We must demonstrate a willingness to become what the Soviets already are. That I can't accept. We are *not* defending "freedom" and "unification" in Lebanon (though I think that Reagan has been hoodwinked into believing just that). Else, why would we be supporting a government including of the most divisive element: the Christian Phalange, an organization with ideological roots in European fascism. Nor are we defending "freedom" and "political pluralism" in Nicaragua by funding the most vicious elements of the former regime to the tune of $50 million. But of course, for this scheme to work, we must be convinced that it will. Where does this end? With a situation where we must believe everything published by the Ministry of Truth, about what the Ministry of Peace is doing in the World, or else visit the Ministry of Love, to have our opinions corrected? --- Michael Turner (ucbvax!ucbesvax.turner)