Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!security!genrad!decvax!harpo!floyd!clyde!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!uiucdcs!uokvax!rigney From: rigney@uokvax.UUCP Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Re: Helpless in Lebanon - (nf) Message-ID: <3612@uiucdcs.UUCP> Date: Wed, 9-Nov-83 00:21:57 EST Article-I.D.: uiucdcs.3612 Posted: Wed Nov 9 00:21:57 1983 Date-Received: Sun, 6-Nov-83 03:19:19 EST Lines: 31 #R:ihuxw:-54800:uokvax:5000005:000:1351 uokvax!rigney Oct 30 13:32:00 1983 I've heard that troops aren't allowed to carry a round chambered in their rifles, but the time spent chambering probably couldn't have made the difference in stopping the deathtruck, if 5 shots couldn't stop it 10 probably couldn't either; what was needed was something considerably in excess of a M-16. I've also heard that the reason the Marines weren't better protected (strong barricades, fortified, dug in, etc.) is to avoid giving the impression that they're there to stay. In other words, since it is a temporary mission there is much reluctance to put up permanent construction and turn their base into a fort. As well, apparently the Lebanese Army troops manning some of the checkpoints are inexperienced and let the truck (and many others) through. Once the truck had penetrated the outermost checkpoints it could get close enough to ram through the inner obstacles (manned by marines) too quickly for the marines to take effective action. The marines have never liked the position they were given, it's a lousy area to defend, without sufficient clear zones, overlooked by "hostile"-held points, etc. But they weren't given a choice, the marine philosophy isn't really geared to standing around and getting shot, their training is to take obstacles regardless of cost. Carl ..!ctvax!uokvax!rigney ..!duke!uok!uokvax!rigney