Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1exp 10/6/83; site ihlts.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!harpo!floyd!clyde!ihnp4!ihlts!rjnoe From: rjnoe@ihlts.UUCP (Roger Noe) Newsgroups: net.startrek Subject: Re: Star Trek Flaw?? Message-ID: <220@ihlts.UUCP> Date: Tue, 11-Oct-83 11:12:52 EDT Article-I.D.: ihlts.220 Posted: Tue Oct 11 11:12:52 1983 Date-Received: Thu, 13-Oct-83 01:03:43 EDT References: <696@ihuxr.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville, Il Lines: 38 Actually, warp factors are "defined" as the warp factor cubed times the speed of light (the "effective speed", I guess you could call it). Thus warp factor 2 would be 8c, warp 10 would be 1000c (the maximum emergency speed of the uprated Enterprise). Warp factors less than 1 are usually not referred to, substituting instead some fraction of impulse engine power, which is that fraction of the speed of light. In order for any story about interstellar travel to be interesting, such speeds are a necessity (excepting the case of a multigenerational ship traveling to a nearby star at some fraction of c). Perhaps this is artistic license, but it could also be science fiction. SF often requires the reader to accept the possibility that some improbable event could happen. This suspension of belief does not detract at all from the validity of the story--as long as the story does not explicitly contradict known laws of nature. One common method of getting around this is to invent (hypothesize is too scientific a word here) new laws or extend known laws to enable such far-fetched things to happen. Warp speeds are a fine example of this practice. Not enough is known about the validity of special relativity, much less general relativity, to be able to say that effective speeds faster than light are impossible. Sure, it appears that special relativity limits everything to less than the speed of light and explains time dilation and other relativistic effects. But there is a loophole: what if space itself changes? Black holes have been postulated and there is some evidence that they exist. Their effects on the space and time about them are just guessed at (so far). Who is to say that it would be impossible for a space ship to affect its surroundings, creating a "warp" in the fabric of space? (I am NOT implying the Enterprise uses black holes in any way to create its space warp!) If this were possible then a starship might be able to appear some distance away in some amount of time which seems to require a speed in normal space many times the speed of light. But special relativity may be preserved if the ship travels in its own "bubble" of warped space at a speed (relative to its immediate sur- roundings) less than c. This is precisely how the Enterprise's warp engines are postulated to function. -- Roger Noe ...ihnp4!ihlts!rjnoe