Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 6/7/83; site hao.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!harpo!seismo!hao!hull From: hull@hao.UUCP (Howard Hull) Newsgroups: net.dcom Subject: Two wire RS232 - WARNING Message-ID: <687@hao.UUCP> Date: Sat, 5-Nov-83 13:46:37 EST Article-I.D.: hao.687 Posted: Sat Nov 5 13:46:37 1983 Date-Received: Mon, 7-Nov-83 06:10:59 EST Organization: High Altitude Obs./NCAR, Boulder CO Lines: 39 We had an absolutely amazing accident occur here when a contract service technician was working on a daisy-wheel printer. He claims to have conscientiously disconnected the RS232 interface cable from the printer while he was working on its power supply. We believe that was indeed the case. He also claimed that the AC power cord was disconnected as well, but we have a witness who saw otherwise. Our guy says that the printer was "lights on" moments before. If so, then the printer was plugged into a row of 115 Volt AC extension outlets, along with a nearby video terminal. Everything was ok until the technician dropped a spacer and a screw into the printer power supply. He mentioned that he saw a spark as the spacer fell directly between a filter capacitor terminal and the frame of the printer. Simultaneously, our PDP-11/70 dropped dead. Real dead. Two days dead. Visible damage in the computer was for the most part confined to the MC1489A line receivers on the RS232 multiplexer card. Curiously enough, the damage was to the port attached to the aforementioned video terminal. The video terminal was found to be inoperable after the accident. DEC field service GRACIOUSLY fixed the problems in the processor. [!!!Hooray DEC!!!] The technician's supervisor claimed that there was "noo waaaay" that the technician could have caused the problem, since the printer was disconnected at the time. I could point out, however, that with the printer turned on and connected to the AC outlet, a 115 Volt AC short between the AC High terminal of the RFI filter and AC neutral and/or safety common could elevate the video terminal AC neutral and/or safety common to as high as 57.5 Volts RMS AC, or more than 80 volts peak. Depending on the care that was used in routing the Pin 1 and Pin 7 RS232 grounds, as well as the AC neutral and safety ground environment of the computer, this can overstress the multiplexer line receivers, causing them to fail in a variety of ways. Those of you who are considering "2-wire RS232" should realize that you are vulnerable to a very expensive and dangerous sequence of events in the event of an AC Power fault. The safety grounds in our equipment are designed to protect personnel *at the expense of possible damage to the equipment*. {ucbvax!hplabs | allegra!nbires | decvax!brl-bmd | harpo!seismo | menlo70} !hao!hull