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Subject: Re: GRENADA: EYEWITNESS REPORT - (nf)
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Date: Thu, 3-Nov-83 22:30:41 EST
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uiuccsb!grunwald    Nov  3 12:32:00 1983

Re: the disposition of the Grenadian government

Yes, we disposed of the government. Just because they were not elected does not
mean that they were not the government. Government does not always mean duely
elected officials.
   If you wish to apply the rational that it is acceptable for use to overthrow
a government just because it was not elected by the populance, then certainly
we should be compelled to overthrow the government in Chile.

   And as for my comparison of the invasion of Afghanistan with the invasion of
Grenada -- When the soviets invaded Afghanistan, reaction from the west was
immediate. Well before they committed any of their admittly terrible war crimes
there, and well before their intention to stay in the country for a prolonged
siege was apparent, the west had condemmed them for violating the soverinty of
another independent country.
   At this point in time, we stand in exactly the same position. While it is
very doubtful that we shall pull the same theatrics as the soviets did in their
little invasion, if we compare the actions >> up to equivilent points of
involvement << we see that the actions are not that dissimilar. And yes,
Grenadian citizens have been killed by the U.S. forces.

   While I'm at it -- I can't help but notice the rabid reaction of many people
who defend this action of the U.S. to assume that anyone who does not support
the action to be a supported of the U.S.S.R. I can not being myself to support
very many actions of the U.S.S.R., but apparently unlike so many of you, I can
also not bring myself to support every action of the U.S. just because it's an
action of the U.S. This simplistic dichotimous (sp) view detracts from your
arguments.
   I do not see it to be a crime to expect the country you live in to act in
a moral and supportive manner when dealing with the rest of the world. Perhaps
this is mere youthful idealism. Someday, I shall probably become more cynical
about world politics and admit, (quoting "For Colored Girls who've
considered suicide when the rainbow was enuf") that "Nice is such a ripoff."