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From: wbpesch@ihuxp.UUCP (Walt Pesch)
Newsgroups: net.flame
Subject: What ever happened to Human Rights
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Date: Tue, 22-Nov-83 12:34:26 EST
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Posted: Tue Nov 22 12:34:26 1983
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Re:  To He Who speaks with Foot in Mouth

   Re: Flames from some plunkett-person:

      There were three good reasons to invade Grenada.  Each of them are
      sufficient: (1) At the request of concerned neighbors, (2) To protect
      the lives of Americans, (3) To discourage Communism there and elsewhere.

   Do you truly regard a request from "concerned [implicitly, allied] neighbors"
   as a sufficient condition?  Thanks for putting our foreign policy in the
   hands of a few small islands with pathetic literacy rates.  "Helping our
   friends" is all very well, but where does this end?

What a great case of snooty liberalism.  Let us defend the "Islands
with pathetic literacy rates"  (By the way, it is quite something that
islands even have literacy rates.)  But back to the flame.
I really think it is pitiable that people can make statements like this.
Last time I checked they were Human Beings, with the full right of
self-choice and self-determination.  They saw neighboring people that
were being refused self-choice.  And I also will admit that they saw
these neighbors coming over with Cuban Construction workers to rebuild
their government. So they made the decision that they made, for good,
bad, or indifferant.

TO A GENERAL FLAME ABOUT WHAT THIS COUNTRY SHOULD STAND FOR, WHICH FOR
FORIEGN READERS CAN BE GENERALIZED TO WHAT EVERY ONE SHOULD BELIEVE IN.

Let us look at the great Leaders and what they have said.  Let us see
what they wrote (after all, we are from a continent, and not an
illiterate island.)  And what they fought for.  Yes, can you liberals
think of that.  We have fought for our freedom in the past, from the
Colonial British Empire, which was based on a lot of the same
principles that the modern-day Solviet Empire is based on.
In the civil war we fought for the freedom of the black people.  In
the first World War, we fought for the democracies, in a war that was
not ours.  In the second World War, we fought against tyranny itself
in the Nazies.  In the Korean War, we fought for the defence of a
country that was invaded.  In all the Arab-Israeli Wars, we supported
the rights of the country of Israel to survive.  We have fought in the
past for the freedom of many differant people, and we will fight in
the future for many differant people.  It is called Welcome to the
Real World.  And it does come down every once in a while to Bull Shit
walks while the guns will talk.  This is plain human nature.

Lets look at what has been said by our great Political leaders.
Lincoln with the Emancipation Proclamation.  Washington and Jefferson
and the other founders of our country in the Constitution and the Bill
of Rights.  And lets expound on this for a while.  We have stood as a
country for the Bill of Rgihts and other Human Rights through our
history.  And  still do.  That was why I support the American
Intervention in Grenada.  

       BECAUSE IT WAS DONE TO PREVENT BLOODY KILLING OF HUMAN BEINGS
       AND TO ALLOW THE PEOPLE OF GRENADA A FREE CHIOCE.  I THINK THAT
       WE CAN ALLOW THE ILLITERATE ISLANDERS THIS OPTION.  

By the way, the next time that they hold a free election in a Russian
Communist country, I will vote for a Democrat, for then I will begin
to believe the tripe that they try to tell us.

Enough flaming for I now that by now, for those that agree with me are
standing proud in agreement, while the knee-jerks (if I can borrow the
term) have stopped reading now, and have gone back to Pravda or
whatever is currently in vogue with the liberal population, who has
the same rights as all islanders, whether they be from Carribean
Islands or Rhode Island.

-- 
                                          Walt Pesch
                                    AT&T Western Electric