Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!security!genrad!decvax!duke!phs!sdyer@bbncca.ARPA (Steve Dyer) From: sdyer@bbncca.ARPA Newsgroups: net.med Subject: Re: Hydergine and Vasopressin Message-ID: <341@bbncca.UUCP> Date: Wed, 23-Nov-83 01:49:30 EST Article-I.D.: bbncca.341 Posted: Wed Nov 23 01:49:30 1983 Date-Received: Sun, 27-Nov-83 03:13:10 EST Lines: 36 References: <634@cbosgd.UUCP> Relay-Version:version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site duke.UUCP Posting-Version:version B 2.10 5/3/83; site bbncca.ARPA Path:duke!decvax!bbncca!sdyer Message-ID:<341@bbncca.ARPA> Date:Wed, 23-Nov-83 01:49:30 EST Organization:Bolt, Beranek and Newman, Cambridge, Ma. Hydergine has been around for a while, advertised heavily to doctors serving older people as a drug that does amorphously beneficial things to elderly people who have amorphously dysfunctional behavior. Its status with the FDA is pretty shaky, and it's a wonder that it's been able to stay on the market for so long. Vasopressin and its congeners would probably have to be used as a nasal spray, since they are digested rapidly when taken orally. I've always heard that vasopressin facilitates learning in rats, but I don't know how that might extend to most human learning. I would also expect that generally administering this to otherwise normal patients might not be a good idea, for two reasons. First, vasopressin is also known as ADH-- anti-diuretic hormone. This is the substance secreted by the pituitary which regulates the permeability of the kidney to water. In fact, the reason alcohol has a diuretic effect is that it inhibits the secretion of ADH by the pituitary. So, gratuitous doses of ADH to normal patients would at least cause water retention, and maybe other bad effects. Second, its name, "vasopressin", comes from its other effects on the body. It raises blood pressure, and can precipitate angina attacks in susceptible persons. I would be interested to read controlled studies of either of these drugs on human behavior and learning, but I suspect that the evidence is still a bit shaky to recommend them. -- /Steve Dyer decvax!bbncca!sdyer sdyer@bbncca