Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site rabbit.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!harpo!eagle!allegra!alice!rabbit!ark From: ark@rabbit.UUCP Newsgroups: net.philosophy Subject: Re: Rational conviction vs. gut level belief Message-ID: <2215@rabbit.UUCP> Date: Sat, 19-Nov-83 09:33:52 EST Article-I.D.: rabbit.2215 Posted: Sat Nov 19 09:33:52 1983 Date-Received: Mon, 21-Nov-83 02:20:54 EST References: <370@pucc-h> Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill Lines: 9 Something stronger than rationality or emotion? I'd call it a conditioned reflex (or, in some cases, an innate reflex). If you are wired up to electrodes so that you can get a shock, and you hear a bell ring and then get the shock, you will eventually get to a state where you will flinch from the expected shock when you hear the bell. I claim that if this is done enough, you will be unable to keep from flinching even if you first cut the wires to the electrodes, thus making the shock impossible. As for innate things, try keeping your eyes open while you sneeze.