Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!security!genrad!decvax!duke!unc!mcnc!unc-c!dya From: dya@unc-c.UUCP Newsgroups: net.physics Subject: Re: Digital Vs. The Audiophile. Message-ID: <1170@unc-c.UUCP> Date: Sun, 27-Nov-83 14:13:44 EST Article-I.D.: unc-c.1170 Posted: Sun Nov 27 14:13:44 1983 Date-Received: Mon, 28-Nov-83 06:20:15 EST Lines: 71 References: akpcb.9148 Actually, to preserve angular resolution between channels ( which is critical to one's perception of direction) then perhaps much more than simply " some marginal increment above 2 * the highest reproduced frequency." Those who claim that digital " sounds more sterile " than analog desparately miss their compression and peak limiting. What I would like to know is why everyone is willing to put up with far worse than mere analog recording when they turn on the FM tuner? A student at UNCC who is also works for WFAE-FM (campus snob station) reports that even their G/R meter on their Optimod (stereo generator) reads -20 dB; i.e. a signal which is 20 dB over 0 vU is still 0 vU. Would you tolerate a 20 dB reduction in dynamic range? And Optimod is one of the good stereo generators; i.e. its pumping and breathing is much less offensive than say a Thomson-CSF (CBS Laboratories) Volumax and Audimax processors. An NPR affiliate punching the G/R meter ?? Well, WROQ-FM, the local MTV music outlet, once broadcast some of the digital discs. The resulting signal was so bad, because their AGC / peak limiting couldn't cope with the dynamic range or "rms level slew rate." Some of our local FM's transmit from 1-4 dB of dynamic range ( by continuous RMS integration measurements) over a 40 dB input range. Same with TV sound (even on high audio fidelity videocassettes.) You guys should flame at your local FM for transmitting such hogwash. Even the most affluent record purchaser gets tired of their albums. By the way, most consumer amplifiers are not up to the task of reproducing digitally recorded music. In fact, most consumer amplifiers are not up to the task of reproducing plain old ordinary records. Who wants to buy a music source and software with 90 dB + actual dynamic range when for them, cranking up Journey to decent party volume causes the panel lights to blink wildly (indicating poor power supply regulation.) Whilst everyone is building quieter and more distortion-free amplification, why do you have to spend $$$$$$$ to get tolerable performance? Those who have the blinking lights amplifier are going to be mighty disappointed when they crank up digital records to decent party volume. I can't wait for digitally recorded music, either. If excessive dynamic range is a problem, I'll truck out my DBX compressor. As for being rid of analog evils ( record tics, pops, clicks, slip-sticking, surface noise, warps, the hassle of using the Discwasher and Zerostat, ; tape noise and dropouts,) a little phase distortion is worth it. After all, what everyone in this debate is forgetting is that the peak limiting that goes into cutting conventional records and duplicating tapes does far more harm to phase response than failure to sample at 3 or 4 times the Nyquist frequency. Even the nonlinearities in your phono cartridge's transient response cause far more phase rotation than any digital system. As for the subject of analog tape heads, yecch! Have you ever seen a 500 hz square wave reproduced adaquately on anything we can afford? Even an ITC 750 (which is the only tape deck I can get my hands on that also reproduces music reasonably well) can't do this too well. Not that this keeps me awake, but not having to consider "cartridge- preamp impedance interaction" and so on will be nice, too. As will the reduction of RFI-induced noise in my cartridge's coils, having to shell out $ 100 for a new cartridge periodically, and being highly irritated at the fact that even half-speeds click and pop.... Right now, the limiting factor in most homes is their furnace, not analog s/n (unless you use stereophones.) Just to be rid of the other evils is why digital audio is worth it. If I could just get my local FM stations to be as good as my worst records ???? ..Dave